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Author: gRAHAM gOLDEN
Date: 2000-09-27 03:28
Hello,
I just made an interesting observation from the woodwind and brasswind catalog.
I don't think you are always getting a "new instrument." Sure it may have only been played a few times or not at all. BUT- who know how long it has been sitting on a shelf. For example the amati bass clarinet model 392 is still available. Production of that instrument stopped 2 years ago.
I believe Laser student sopranos saxes were also a Bargain close out last year. Now the same model is a regular instrument.
So it might be new interims of playing condition but who knows if its the newest model.
A think this might attract some anger. But that's OK.
GRaham
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Author: Pam
Date: 2000-09-27 11:37
Graham,
I don't think essentially gossiping about what you perceive as a problem about ww & bw is the best way to approach this. Why don't you call or e-mail the company with your concerns?
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Author: Lelia
Date: 2000-09-27 11:42
I've never dealt with WW&BW, so I don't know about this specific situation, but it's common for discounters of all sorts of goods to acquire old models at a reduced price and then pass the savings to the customer. Another way to look at it is: If a company discontinued your favorite mouthpiece, reeds or other equipment, you might be able to find them *and* get a bargain on them at a discounter that sells "new old stock." Clarinets don't suddenly go obsolete the way computers do. I suspect manufacturers sometimes introduce new models just to keep the customer's attention and to avoid the perception that the company isn't progressive. The new models may not be any better than the old ones, and sometimes the differences may be trivial, or even merely cosmetic. IMHO those discounters that sell off the old models at reduced prices are doing customers a favor.
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Author: Bill
Date: 2000-09-27 11:49
I looked at the Amati Model 392 bass clarinet in the new catalog. It has a "banner" that states "while supplies last". To me, this indicates that the model was either discontinued by the manufacturer and/or will no longer be carried by the seller after current stock is sold. I don't get the real point of this post.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2000-09-27 11:57
I think gRAHAM was just pointing out that you have to really read the ads. WW & BW aren't being dishonest - they are new - but for people who don't check the ad well they may think they're getting a new model.
Then again, when I spending a couple of thousand bucks I check really, really well. I don't have money to burn ...
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Author: Dee
Date: 2000-09-27 20:54
Retail music stores also often have new old stock simply because the more expensive models don't move particularly fast. People buy a new R-13, check the serial number and find it was made a couple of years before.Mark Charette wrote:
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Author: gRAHAM gOLDEN
Date: 2000-09-28 00:57
Hello everyone,
I am sorry to have upset all of you.
I guess I will just say:
Pam
It was an OBSERVATION not gossip. I thought it was interesting and I would share it with the rest of my fellow musicians. Next time I will not share my opinions or observations with anyone. Sorry to have bothered you but it seems that if it is a real concern for you that this should have not been posted than I think you should have just left it alone or asked mark to get rind of it.
lelia
The ww and bw carried this item before it went out of production. that was even before amati's US distributor was introduced so I think it very unlikely for them to have purchased a few dozen instruments because they were going out of production. I have played a model 392 and I have no idea why they would want to stock up with that item. Also manufacturers make constant changes to their instruments to improve them. Amati discontinued the model and replaced it with the 692. They have since redesigned that model. For example the ww and bw advertises that model as having nickel-plated keys and a .913 bore. The new model 692-S-0 has silverplated keys and a .905 bore. SO obviously they still have enough of the older models to advertise them. Or they are outright lying about their products.
Bill,
Ding, Ding, Ding, you win a million $$$$. just kidding. yes you are correct it is a while supplies last. Amati stopped making it over 2 years ago. IF they still have these instruments in stock they must buy in MEGA bulk.
I think I will ask mark to remove this post since it is point less.
Mark,
That's one of the things I was trying to point out. Can you remove this post?
Dee,
I have found that on a sax I bought from a music store. only it was a show model so I expected it would be a few years old.
I guess my point was that with mail order warehouses you have to be very specific and read between the lines. Sure the instrument might be new but it doesn't mean its the newest version. that's why manufacturers always have "features may change without notice to improve the quality of our product"
Sorry,
Graham
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2000-09-28 01:05
gRAHAM gOLDEN wrote:
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> Hello everyone,
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> I am sorry to have upset all of you.
Don't be so sensitive! No one said anything even remotely bad here.
You don't know how many the WW & BW bought - or contracted to buy - from Amati. They're selling 'em because they have them. They didn't lie - they're new. They're just not a new model.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2000-09-28 01:09
By the way ...
gRAHAM gOLDEN wrote:
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> I think you should have just left it
> alone or asked mark to get rind of it.
I don't delete posts because someone asks me to. They're only deleted "for cause".
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Author: gRAHAM gOLDEN
Date: 2000-09-28 01:14
Mark,
>You don't know how many the WW & BW bought - or contracted to buy - from .
>Amati. They're selling 'em because they have them. They didn't lie - they're new.
>They're just not a new model.
I know that. I am just saying. I am not being sensitive. I said "A think this might attract some anger. But that's OK. "
I was just defending my post. I know they are new. Like I said they are just not the new model and were made along time ago. It was just an observation.
I think the thing is they just don't edit the catalog that well. Look at page 30 and see the
"need some copy here here here here here here here here here here."
I believe that was not intentional.
But the picture of the amati soprano on page 35 is also inaccurate. Amati only makes one model without conical pad cups and they don't make any clarinets without a bell ring.
I still will Use the wow and bw. they are a great company. its just that I think when you order something ya just need to ask allot of questions..
Graham
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Author: mark weinstein
Date: 2000-09-28 05:00
... what about that poor Buffet R-13 that nobody ever bought? (sniffle, sniffle) Nobody liked the sound ! But, another person's head cavity or shape of their mouth, etc might be just the perfect match.... YEARS LATER!
OK -- think about this: Yamaha discontinued several Yamaha Pro models last year. Guess who got to buy/sell all of the North American remaining stock from Yamaha? Guess who made fantastic deals (exclusively) to many Universities for A Clarinets @ the same time. Yamaha did the notifying and WW&BW did the selling. (brand new A's were $1,250)
Good & interesting conversation ! Thanks all. mw.
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