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Author: estclar82
Date: 2008-09-21 07:31
Can anybody help me?
I am from Europe and I am interested about American classical mouthpieces.
Classical mouthpiece is not jazz mouthpiece.
Can anybody write me names, suggestion pitches, openings? May be something more.
Thank you and all the best
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Author: redwine
Date: 2008-09-21 10:43
Hello,
At what pitch do you play in Estonia?
Ben Redwine, DMA
owner, RJ Music Group
Assistant Professor, The Catholic University of America
Selmer Paris artist
www.rjmusicgroup.com
www.redwinejazz.com
www.reedwizard.com
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Author: Ryder
Date: 2008-09-21 16:45
Clark Fobes
Lomax
Behn
Redwine
Smith
Morgan
Grabner
and MANY others that other members of the board can expand on
You would have to try many of them to get an idea of what you are looking for and to get an idea on the difference in pitch. Just because of your location, you may have a dfficult time getting your hands on these mouthpieces. do some research on this board and the internet about names such as chedeville and kaspar (two common american names which many mouthpiece makers model their mouthpieces after). good luck, best wishes
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Ryder Naymik
San Antonio, Texas
"We pracice the way we want to perform, that way when we perform it's just like we practiced"
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Author: thomas.b
Date: 2008-09-21 17:15
and the Vandoren M13? Isn't this american style and should be available in Europe?
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Author: mrn
Date: 2008-09-21 18:54
thomas.b wrote:
> and the Vandoren M13? Isn't this american style and should be
> available in Europe?
That brings up a good point. What does "American" mean in the context of mouthpieces? And what is a jazz mouthpiece as opposed to a classical mouthpiece?
These days I play on an Eddie Daniels mouthpiece. Eddie Daniels is an American jazz player, but he also plays classical and his mouthpiece is relatively close-faced (1.04 mm, according to WW&BW) like a lot of classical mouthpieces. I play pretty much all classical, and that's what I use it for. I would consider it a "classical mouthpiece." The mouthpiece is made in Germany.
I used to play on a Gigliotti P34, which is indisputably an American classical mouthpiece with a close (but relatively short) facing. The Gigliotti P facing (which is close, but longer) is another popular choice from the same line.
Most of the clarinet mouthpieces you see advertised here in the US are not sold as "jazz mouthpieces." The most notable exception is the Vandoren 5JB, which has a very open facing (1.47 mm) and is advertised as a jazz mouthpiece. Only guess what? The "JB" in 5JB stands for Jack Brymer, a British *classical* clarinetist. So it doesn't necessarily have to be a "jazz mouthpiece" either (although I've never heard of anyone using one for classical playing).
I think the "jazz vs. classical" distinction in mouthpieces is probably a bigger deal in the saxophone world, where they make metal saxophone mouthpieces that are more clearly intended for jazz.
Also, A LOT of (maybe even most) Americans play on Vandoren mouthpieces (made in France). Some of these are available at "American pitch" (A=440), but the usual tuning is A=442 tuning for Vandorens. However, some of the country's top orchestras tune to A=442 (I know the Houston Symphony does, for sure, but I think NY Phil does too, and I know there are others). So Americans don't always play at "American pitch." (by the way, the Gigliotti mpcs. I mentioned are made for both 440 and 442 pitch).
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Author: GBK
Date: 2008-09-21 19:00
mrn wrote:
> Only guess
> what? The "JB" in 5JB stands for Jack Brymer, a British
> *classical* clarinetist.
I believe you are incorrect.
The "JB" in the 5JB designation was to signify the words "jazz" and "bec" , as in "Le bec de jazz" (the jazz mouthpiece)
BTW - If you didn't know, Jack Brymer was also a fine jazz clarinetist and saxophonist.
...GBK
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Author: mrn
Date: 2008-09-21 19:53
GBK wrote:
> mrn wrote:
>
> > Only guess
> > what? The "JB" in 5JB stands for Jack Brymer, a British
> > *classical* clarinetist.
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> I believe you are incorrect.
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> The "JB" in the 5JB designation was to signify the words "jazz"
> and "bec" , as in "Le bec de jazz" (the jazz mouthpiece)
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> BTW - If you didn't know, Jack Brymer was also a fine jazz
> clarinetist and saxophonist.
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> ...GBK
Well, that makes more sense. I guess whoever told me the "JB" stands for Jack Brymer must have been wrong. I stand corrected.
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Author: estclar82
Date: 2008-09-21 21:03
Mostly we play 442. Thats traditional orchestral pitch.
But chamber music is better with 440 Hz.
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Author: estclar82
Date: 2008-09-22 13:31
Clark Fobes
Lomax
Behn
Redwine
Smith
Morgan
Grabner
Doe anybody knows their tip openings?
It would be great.
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2008-09-22 14:00
Go to Google http://www.google.com and search for any of the above names plus the word mouthpiece (for example: fobes mouthpiece). In almost every case the first result will be the webiste of the maker. The tip openings and other information is usually listed there.
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Author: skygardener
Date: 2008-09-22 15:23
Vandoren mouthpieces are made in Germany. Perhaps the final finishing is done in France, but the majority of the work is done in Germany.
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Author: Vytas
Date: 2008-09-23 17:14
skygardener wrote:
>"Vandoren mouthpieces are made in Germany. Perhaps the final finishing is done in France, but the majority of the work is done in Germany".<
Vandoren mouthpieces are made in France. Basically they make mouthpieces from the scratch using German hard-rubber.
Vytas Krass
Custom clarinet mouthpiece maker
Professional clarinet technician
Former professional clarinet player
Post Edited (2011-06-06 20:31)
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Author: Gregory Smith ★2017
Date: 2008-09-23 18:19
NY Hamburger is a blank-producing rubber products company. What you see at their site is a finished product not necessarily completed by them.
If the blanks from NY Hamburger for Vandoren look anything like the ones that Zinner gets before he "semi-finishes" them, they would be very far from complete.
The finishing is done at both the Vandoren factory and to various degrees, at the Zinner company.
Gregory Smith
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Author: stevesklar
Date: 2008-09-23 18:24
I've been curious about Vandoren.
But one has to question, does that company manufacture, including putting on the cork ?? or are the pictures just a marketing pictured for what their products are used for. Vandoren would be a great reference.
That website does not say that company produces the mpcs for Vandoren. When you click on "more" it takes you to their "Premium Raw Material/Ebonite Dust" page
maybe Vandoren purchases rubber rods like Selmer Paris does from some manufacturer ????
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Stephen Sklar
My YouTube Channel of Clarinet Information
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Author: skygardener
Date: 2008-09-23 18:44
"maybe Vandoren purchases rubber rods like Selmer Paris does from some manufacturer ????"
Vandoren pieces are molded.
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Author: skygardener
Date: 2008-09-23 18:48
Greg Smith- "The finishing is done at both the Vandoren factory and to various degrees, at the Zinner company."
I agree. I only assume that the facing is cut at the same facility as the radial scratches are very similar; however it is possible that both companies have similar machines that cuts the facings.
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Author: Gregory Smith ★2017
Date: 2008-09-23 18:52
Spinning diamond cutters that follow templates for each facing are used at both facilities - Vandoren and Zinner. Babbitt uses a millstone grinding system for finishing their own blanks - blanks they make from scratch.
Gregory Smith
Post Edited (2008-09-23 18:53)
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Author: Caroline Smale
Date: 2008-09-23 20:43
The old Vandoren brochures show the M/P facing machine installed at Rue Lepic and also French artisans hand filing the chamber (with a small mirror mounted in a lyre holder to enable a view from both ends!).
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Author: Vytas
Date: 2008-09-24 02:14
thomas.b wrote:
>"and the Vandoren M13? Isn't this american style and should be available in Europe?"<
Vandoren M13 is Chedeville style mouthpiece. The number 13 represents pitch @A=440 HZ. Besides the pitch, there is nothing American about this mouthpiece.
Vytas Krass
Custom clarinet mouthpiece maker
Professional clarinet technician
Former professional clarinet player
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