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Author: Miguel Ruiz
Date: 2008-09-21 15:06
Hello to everybody,
This is the first time that I write in this forum, but I have been reading this for a while... My name is Miguel and I am a clarinet player.
In Berio, my question is about the multiphonics between letters J to L ...
The version I have it is for a clarinet with a low Eb... So in our clarinets these multiphonics do not work.
What do we supposedly should do in this part? Is there an other version?
Thank you,
Miguel
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Author: DAVE
Date: 2008-09-21 15:47
I think there might be another version. I have the one that you have and it is kinda worthless to me. I am sure someone else will chime in and let us know for sure.
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2008-09-21 16:14
Tony Pay has written quite a bit about Sequenza IXa both here on the bulletin board and on the Klarinet list. If you search "pay berio sequenza" without the quotes you will find several interesting posts by Tony and others on this work (mixed in with a lot of discussion of the Copland Conerto). In one of the messages, Tony provides the following alternative for a standard clarinet:
http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/download.html/1,570/Beriogif.gif
A couple of the other messages report that Berio was more interested in having multiphonics (or multiphonics with the same interval as his original) than the specific ones he had written. Some interesting thoughtful discussions on this topic.
Best regards,
jnk
Post Edited (2008-09-22 15:33)
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Author: Miguel Ruiz
Date: 2008-09-26 17:14
Thank you, for your help. I have read all of this interesting information and also try the version that Mr. Pay posted (is not easy to get the chords sound right, by the way!).
What I have understood is that even the version Pay has it was not recognized by Berio, that is stranged for me... Why he did no fix this problem, he had 20 years since the piece was written... Maybe it is true, he did not care about so much, as far sound as multiphonics.
All the best,
Miguel
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Author: orchestr
Date: 2008-09-26 18:57
I saw someone perform this, and they put a length of tube in the bell to bring the lowest note down to an Eb.
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Author: Tony Pay ★2017
Date: 2008-09-26 20:06
orchestr wrote:
>> I saw someone perform this, and they put a length of tube in the bell to bring the lowest note down to an Eb.>>
Yes, I came to the conclusion that that was the best way to do it -- you can then play exactly what's written -- but for some reason Berio took against it when he saw me play it that way.
"You can't use that...that SUPPOSITORY!" was how he put it.
Perhaps the whole difficulty then arose because he enjoyed saying that sentence so much;-)
Tony
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Author: Miguel Ruiz
Date: 2008-10-12 19:02
Hi again,
After that sentence, the Berio´s imagen I had has changed suddenly... Do not know why I have the impression Berio was a sophisticated and intelectual person in line with the "avant-garde" movement... But after that "suppository " sentence I do not know what to think.
After investigating and thinking about the problems with these multiphonics, I found out it is a common problem between the comtemporany Italian composers. They used to write for a full böhm clarinet: V. Bucchi also wrote the multiphonics in his "Concerto for solo clarinet" for a completed Böhm system; and Miluccio in his Rhapsodia used a low Eb...
Anyway... Mr. Pay, it have to be a very enriching experiency working with such a great composer as Berio, thank you very much for sharing your experience with us.
All the best,
Miguel
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