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Author: DavidBlumberg
Date: 2008-09-13 15:29
Itunes has a new version 8 out now that looks really nice. Many more options of viewing the album cover art as well as a "genius" function which suggests tracks that are similar to the track being played.
Pretty cool. Easy way to discover new tracks
(disclaimer - I have lots of tracks on it)
http://www.SkypeClarinetLessons.com
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Author: BobD
Date: 2008-09-13 16:26
I still prefer the old "list" view. But, hey, iTunes/iPod is the greatest.
Bob Draznik
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2008-09-13 16:36
>> iTunes/iPod is the greatest.
Is it? I'm seriously asking since I've never tried iTunes, and not going to get an iPod. Can I download music from iTunes and then EASILY put it on my mp3 player (which I take when I run, etc.), or organize it the way I want on my computer?
I understood that you have to use the iTunes software to do anything with the music and that it might not be possible (or at least not easily possible) to to move it to different places. I really don't know but would like to.
Thanks!
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Author: DavidBlumberg
Date: 2008-09-13 17:16
I fought getting an IPod for a few years. Resented the market takeover actually.
Broke down and got the program and haven't looked back since.
Super easy to find tracks and organise them.
If you don't have an ipod then it won't do you very well, however Itunes is great with tons of tracks.
Was well worth the switch for me.
http://www.SkypeClarinetLessons.com
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Author: thomas.b
Date: 2008-09-13 17:34
perhaps I am a litte bit old fashonied.... in my PDA there was a mp3 player... pretty ok... but a "technical tool".... my birthday present was an ipod... and now: nowhere without my ipod!... extremely easy to use...in combination with itunes: import of cd, download of music, podcasts, videos, games...very easy.... I enjoy it !
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Author: DavidBlumberg
Date: 2008-09-13 18:14
You can drag and drop Itunes tracks that you import (from your own music collection) easily as mp3 files. Now with Itunes Plus they aren't putting the DRM restrictions that were in place before. The program itself is amazingly easy to find and see tracks.
http://www.SkypeClarinetLessons.com
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Author: ABerry
Date: 2008-09-13 19:33
Hi All,
Another alternative to the IPod is the Zune from Microsoft.
Check it out at zune.net.
Allan
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Author: mrn
Date: 2008-09-13 23:36
I just downloaded the new iTunes today. The Genius function is interesting, although I think I have it stumped.
Just for fun I tried asking Genius what music to program with Rose Etude No. 1 (since I happen to have bought the Chris Hill/John Walker recording from the iTunes Store). It told me it didn't know.
I wonder if that says more about it or about those of us clari-nerdy enough to own recordings of etudes! 
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2008-09-13 23:43
mrn wrote:
> Just for fun I tried asking Genius what music to program with
> Rose Etude No. 1 (since I happen to have bought the Chris
> Hill/John Walker recording from the iTunes Store). It told me
> it didn't know.
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> I wonder if that says more about it or about those of us
> clari-nerdy enough to own recordings of etudes!
I think if you ask said Genius about "clarinet" it'd respond with "clariWHAT?" or maybe "clari.NET 2.0?"...
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Ben
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Author: DavidBlumberg
Date: 2008-09-14 00:00
Actually, the reason it didn't know the Rose recording is that Cdbaby which put it there is a crap service for Classical.
They don't include ID3 tags with their uploads, so tracks are basically on their own.....
That's from my Itunes folks.
http://www.SkypeClarinetLessons.com
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Author: Katrina
Date: 2008-09-14 01:54
Anyone know if there's a way to take tunes out of Itunes and put them on a thumb drive? The boards over at the Itunes site never answered this...
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Author: crnichols
Date: 2008-09-14 03:26
I just downloaded the new version today. In the past, I've always updated the software and then had to fix the settings to the way I like them. This included changing the location of the Itunes folder from the default on the C drive to my external hard drive. That always really annoyed me in the past, but it seems they've fixed that issue! I'm very pleased. I'm not so sure I'll find the genius feature useful, but we'll see.
Christopher Nichols, D.M.A.
Assistant Professor of Clarinet
University of Delaware
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2008-09-14 08:22
I'm not fighting getting an iPod, I'm just not going to, without fighting
I'm interested in iTunes since it's possible to find a lot of music there and hear samples. Can I just download it without having an iPod? Is it free?
I don't listen to music with something portable and earphones very often. It's still not clear, if I use iTunes to download music can I easily move it to my non-iPod mp3 player, or to the other computer (with the network) so I can listen in the other room? Easily means without doing anything special other than drag/drop like any file, or need any special program to play it. Also, is it possible to download music that is in a better format than mp3 (like wav)? though when I find something I really like I still prefer to buy the CD anyway.
Thanks!
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Author: Morrigan
Date: 2008-09-14 08:37
Music from the iTunes Store is not free, you have to pay for it. It can only be played within iTunes as well as moved onto your iPod; other devices are not compatible.
That said, you can, through devious means, strip the DRM protection and put it on another device (e.g Zune, Creative)
You can also use iTunes to burn an Audio CD of the tracks you want so that it can be played on any CD player.
On the other hand, if you have an iPod and don't mind paying for your music, it's by far the simplest way of doing things.
iTunes itself is free; why not download it and give it a go? You've got nothing to lose!
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2008-09-14 09:10
I did mean iTunes itself, not the music (being free). I have no problem paying for the music I download (and if I like it enough I'll probably pay for it again when I buy the CD).
How do I "strip the DRM protection and put it on another device"? That's exactly what I'll have to do with after I download it, so I can listen to it where I want to.
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Author: Ed
Date: 2008-09-14 09:20
clarnibass wrote
"I don't listen to music with something portable and earphones very often."
I rarely use my ipod as a portable listening player with earphones. I do, however, often use it in the car (plugged through the car sound system), as a device attached to portable speakers or sometimes through a home stereo in place of a CD player. It gives me access to lots of music at any time, as well as podcasts and other programming.
In addition, I have used it as a small portable HD to store or back up files in pinch.
Post Edited (2008-09-14 09:22)
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Author: BobD
Date: 2008-09-14 11:04
You don't have to buy music via iTunes from Apple; I've never bought one tune.
You can download mp3 music from Amazon....just one "tune", or the whole CD.
You can add music friends send you via email attachments.
You can download music from cds you own.
You can....
Bob Draznik
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2008-09-14 12:54
Dr. Draz,
You can show me how it works when I see you next. Lynne has had an iPod for some time and we have never quite gotten around to making it work.
We are due for a lunch at Diamonds. I wonder what you and I will order?
HRL
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Author: mrn
Date: 2008-09-14 14:39
David Blumberg wrote:
> Hey, I did the same thing with Chris's Rose recording this AM.
> That's out of over 8,000 tracks that I have.
How funny! Great minds think alike, I guess.
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Author: DavidBlumberg
Date: 2008-09-14 15:09
We both knew that it was about as obscure as possible.....
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"That said, you can, through devious means, strip the DRM protection and put it on another device (e.g Zune, Creative)"
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Not devious, simple actually. How dare a company tell me what platform to play something on or how to listen to it.
http://www.SkypeClarinetLessons.com
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Author: BobD
Date: 2008-09-14 17:06
"How dare a company tell me what platform to play something on or how to listen to it."
Some companies still haven't got it......free samples only whet the public's appetite for the whole enchilada...
Maybe that's what we can have, Hank!
Bob Draznik
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Author: Morrigan
Date: 2008-09-14 18:49
Well, devious may be simple in this case however technically it IS illegal to strip a file's DRM information. If you want to listen to music on a device other than an iPod, buy your music elsewhere. Nobody's telling you what device you can play your music on, completely your choice! It IS still a free world!
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Author: DavidBlumberg
Date: 2008-09-14 19:11
No, it's not at all as you are "legally" allowed to burn a CD with it.
What you do with that burned CD is after it has already been stripped is after the fact. If they didn't allow CD burning, or if that Cd burn had drm crap in it, that would be different.
http://www.SkypeClarinetLessons.com
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Author: Morrigan
Date: 2008-09-14 19:19
As far as I am aware a CD burned using iTunes-purchased music DOES contain DRM information and a file can be burned or copied to another iTunes library using YOUR iTunes account a maximum of 5 times. I haven't tried to rip an iTunes-burned CD, but I would hazard a guess they've protected that somehow too.
In any case this all software, and I wouldn't be surprised if there was an extremely easy way around it.
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Author: Ed
Date: 2008-09-14 20:54
One of the issues regarding digital rights was that the recording industry was very wary of allowing music to be downloaded for fear of widespread piracy. This was a way to make the recording labels happy. Apple could drop it altogether, but would risk losing the deals/artists they have. As I understand it, they could be also be fined by the RIAA.
Overall, it is kind of silly, because there is so much free downloading going on, that what is actually being purchased is only a fraction of the overall music out there.
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Author: EEBaum
Date: 2008-09-14 21:10
Morrigan wrote:
>As far as I am aware a CD burned using iTunes-purchased music DOES contain DRM information and a file can be burned or copied to another iTunes library using YOUR iTunes account a maximum of 5 times. I haven't tried to rip an iTunes-burned CD, but I would hazard a guess they've protected that somehow too.<
If you burn it as "audio files placed on a data CD," then yes. If you burn vanilla standards-compliant audio CDs (the type you can put in CD players), though, the DRM doesn't come with. When you insert it into a CD player or computer, it doesn't know if it's a retail disc or a burned one, except that it can't find track info online and you'll have to enter it yourself if you want to keep track of it in a useful manner.
It's a pain in the neck, in any case. Software exists to cut out the middleman and just strip the DRM straight off. While it may seem silly to some that getting the exact same result is perfectly legal with one method and illegal with another, them's the breaks under current laws in the U.S.
I find it silly how so many companies can be so hostile to their paying customers, but that's a discussion for another topic.
-Alex
www.mostlydifferent.com
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2008-09-14 21:31
EEBaum wrote:
> I find it silly how so many companies can be so hostile to
> their paying customers, but that's a discussion for another
> topic.
The problem, unfortunately, is so much more complex - hostility towards the non-paying customers ends up with hostility towards the paying customer.
And presages the death of "reference" recordings, I think. Once paid-for tracks are "in the wild", so to speak, no one pays anymore. For "reference" recordings, or those that are played many times over many years (my definition of things that I buy because they're like a good book - I get more out of them every time I listen), this means even less incentive to record new or old works.
And, on a (barely) related issue, the Dallas Ballet went on a tour to China, and recorded one of the orchestras accompanying them in China to be used for their performances at home in Dallas ... I hadn't thought of outsourcing orchestras yet, but there it is ...
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Author: John Morton
Date: 2008-09-15 16:56
To me, each version of iTunes is less interesting than the one before. I can appreciate the convenience of products that do exactly what you want. iTunes/iPod try to do that creating demand for what they have decided to offer us. Personally I only want a portable mass storage unit for my music, which is mostly on CD, and some gleaned from the web. After using and observing computers for several decades I don't feel it's too much to ask for a smart portable drive with normal features: file transfer in both directions and a seamless navigation interface.
The software and hardware are well integrated, but crippled when compared with the standards of the computer world. They are more in the tradition of consumer electronics, which continually (annoyingly) reinvent features, controls and interfaces.
My iPod was a gift. Here is my setup: CDs go into iTunes. Each has to be also a playlist just so I can alphabetize them. Everything is mp3, for compatibility with the rest of the world and with my transcription software. The contents get backed up to a directory on my [Mac] computer that is outside of iTunes via a fine, free program called podUp. I mail small mp3s to other musicians for rehearsals etc. by dumbing them to the lowest resolution (another good free program called Max). In the car I use a $30 transmitter that sends to 87.9 on the car radio.
John
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Author: BobD
Date: 2008-09-15 21:52
"They are more in the tradition of consumer electronics"
I guess that's what Apple intended, John. It's great that you have the expertise to do what you describe.
Bob Draznik
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Author: Morrigan
Date: 2008-09-16 18:16
But EEBaum, try burning 6 CDs of the same DRM-protected track and let me know if you can get past 5...
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