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Author: cigleris
Date: 2008-09-06 14:51
Hi
Does anyone know if these have been recorded on period instruments? If so who, when and could I buy it.
Thanks
Peter Cigleris
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2008-09-06 15:34
Peter,
From what I can tell from the "liner notes," Jean-Claude Veilhan's recording of the 6 concertos with the Academie Sainte-Cecile is on period instruments. It is on Pierre Verany PV792011. Amazon-UK shows some used copies in stock. Also appears to be available as a cheap download on mp3s from millisong.com.
Google "Molter Veilhan" without the quotes for links.
Best regards,
jnk
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Author: Liquorice
Date: 2008-09-06 20:41
The Veilhan recording is absolutely fantastic in my opinion. Having heard his recordings I can no longer listen willingly to these concertos on a modern D clarinet. Veilhan started out as a Baroque recorder player and has written books on the interpretation of Baroque music. I am a huge fan!
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Author: cigleris
Date: 2009-05-21 17:54
Jack,
Do you have the CD? Could we talk offline regarding it? I need this as there is the possibility of me performing these on period instruments.
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Peter Cigleris
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Author: oliver sudden
Date: 2009-05-21 21:08
Peter,
If Jack doesn't have the CD I do.
I've played on the instrument Veilhan used for the recording - it was made by Agnès Guéroult in Paris and now lives in her workshop. It's an absolute joy to play and all the high writing pops out effortlessly. (She has a fingering chart Veilhan made for the top end of the range.) Her waiting list is really long though - she told me about 18 months. I wish I could justify ordering one!
I'm sure you know but others might not: I suspect a D clarinet in the early, wide-bore Denner model probably won't work for the Molters (at least I can't get to a point on my Jochen Seggelke D where I can imagine the pieces working) - not because the third key isn't there (you can get away without it, at least for the four easily available concertos) but because without a narrow-bore instrument the top notes are just too much effort. For me, I hasten to add.
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Author: cigleris
Date: 2009-05-21 22:16
Oliver,
Thank you for the information. Does this person still make or are they hiring this particular instrument out for performances?
I will contact you offline regarding the CD.
Peter Cigleris
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Author: oliver sudden
Date: 2009-05-21 23:13
She does still make them - she doesn't have a website, just a little workshop tucked away in a courtyard in the 11th arrondissement in Paris. I've no idea whether she would be prepared to hire the instrument out; you'd be waiting 18 months for a new one, as I said. What I will say is that besides anything else she's a wonderful person to meet - she had quite honestly become one of my very favourite people within half an hour of my walking into the workshop. I'm told by a friend who knows a lot more about early clarinets than I do that she's the best mouthpiece maker around for that side of things - my experience isn't so extensive but I can well believe it. Her instruments are wonderfully warm and musical. If you know the newish Lorenzo Coppola recording of the Mozart with the Freiburg Baroque Orchestra, that's one of her instruments. Her English is also fine, if French is an issue.
Andreas Schöni in Bern also makes suitable instruments for Molter I think but a couple of years elapsed between trying his 3-key and playing the Agnès Guéroult one so I couldn't compare. His waiting list is rather shorter, which is perhaps not unuseful information if you're planning to perform the pieces soon...
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Author: Joarkh
Date: 2009-06-30 19:23
Just bought a recording of the first five Molter clarinet concertos with Henk de Graaf and the Amadeus Ensemble of Rotterdam in St. Petersburg.
Joar
Clarinet and saxophone teacher, clarinet freelancer
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Author: Joarkh
Date: 2009-07-01 08:44
Because he is playing on a modern D clarinet (it seems like he is holding one on the cover, at least...)?
Joar
Clarinet and saxophone teacher, clarinet freelancer
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Author: cigleris
Date: 2009-07-01 19:34
If it's the recording i'm thinking of, the one with the player (who is wearing glasses with blonde hair) is on the cover then yes I find this a terrible recording. Why?
Well, the ensemble is scrappy, the intonation not so great and the sound he geats out of the D clarinet IMO poor. I also don't find the musical interpretation interesting but rather dull.
But don't let that stop you from enjoying it. It's just my opinion.
Peter Cigleris
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Author: Joarkh
Date: 2009-07-02 08:30
Yes, that is the recording I bought. Thank you for sharing your opinion.
I've only listened a little to it so far, but my first impression was that the tempi are too like one another - I don't feel that the Allegros are Allegro or that the Adagios are Adagio. The contrasts are too small. Also, sometimes the soloist can barely be heard under the ensemble.
I had been listening to Kari Kriiku's version of the third movement of the third concerto in advance, and I was disappointed when listening to the same movement on de Graafs recording. I felt that it lacked tempo, and a sense of virtuosity, perhaps, that I found in Kriiku's version. I'm not saying that every recording should be the same, but I liked Kriiku's better. Also, de Graaf plays "the same" all the time in my opinion, and to me it seems like he doesn't posess clear musical ideas.
That is my opinion, but I don't really know that much about baroque interpretation.
Joar
Clarinet and saxophone teacher, clarinet freelancer
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Author: Ebclarinet1
Date: 2009-07-02 13:55
I have played these pieces on modern instruments and really like them (have used #3 and 4 as audition pieces even) so I'm a bit curious as to the differences in sound on the original instruments. Can it be described or is it just best shown by listening? Unfortunately I only have a recording on modern instruments, although it is well done.
Eefer guy
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Author: cigleris
Date: 2009-07-02 14:12
The sound of a baroque clarinet can best be described as a mock or toy trumpet, hence the name clarino meaning small trumpet. Clarinet is derived form this. The lower registers are a little weak but Vivaldi for instance did use it in his double concertos for two oboes and clarinets (in C), for me that register has a lovely quality much like the chalumeau. The high register, in my opinion, is no way as strident as a modern D or Eb.
Peter Cigleris
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