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 Alto Clarinet - Floor Peg
Author: Don Gross (---.proxy.aol.com - ISP in United States)
Date:   2008-08-03 15:30

Whenever our alto clarinet/basset horn player has to miss a rehearsal of the Los Angeles Clarinet Choir, a crucial "inner voice" is missing and it really affects the entire group. So...I found a superb early 60s vintage Noblet alto on eBay and, with (1) minimal tweaking by the repair folks at RDG Woodwinds in Los Angeles and (2) getting a custom alto mpc from Roger Garrett at Illinois Wesleyan, we now have a backup. However, I really do NOT like playing either bass or alto with a neckstrap. While I've improvised a "floor stand" using black ABS drain pipe components, it just ain't the same as a floor peg.

I've tried unsuccessfully to find a floor peg assembly to be soldered onto the smaller alto clarinet bell that's made expressly for the alto clarinet and not a cut-down bass clarinet assembly. Calls to Leblanc via Eli at Pro Winds and to Rodney at Buffet have not been returned by the factories. The locals folks in Los Angeles haven't been able to find an alto floor peg assembly either.

If anyone knows of such a beast, or can point me in the the right direction, I would be most appreciative. Playing a concert with your alto clarinet sitting on top of a black ABS drain pipe is not the most stimulating visually.



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 Re: Alto Clarinet - Floor Peg
Author: renee (---.dsl.snantx.swbell.net - ISP in San Antonio, TX United States)
Date:   2008-08-03 15:42

What about a neck strap?

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 Re: Alto Clarinet - Floor Peg
Author: Don Berger (---.proxy.aol.com - ISP in United States)
Date:   2008-08-03 16:20

Hi Don - I play my Selmer alto with a double hook neck strap, and have wished often to have a peg like my bass cl has. For an older bass cl I "jury-rigged" a peg using 1/4 or 5/16" steel rod from a Lowes' store and found a "clamp" tube, had it silver-soldered onto the back of the bell. Using a rubber"foot" on the peg end, and 2 elastic [rubber?] thick washers [or other] to hold the rod in place, had moderate success with it. I f you look around at a Lowes or Home Depot or other well-equipped hardware store, you may find workable pieces to "make your own peg. A "do it yourself" ingenious repairer should be able to help. AM thots, Don

Thanx, Mark, Don

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 Re: Alto Clarinet - Floor Peg
Author: Lelia Loban (---.washdc.btas.verizon.net - ISP in Washington, DC United States)
Date:   2008-08-03 16:58

As long as you can sit where the audience can't see your floor peg substute and get the giggles if they recognize it, try this:

Buy a toilet plunger, the kind with a rubber cup on a wooden stick. (Some hardware stores carry these in black: less obvious than red rubber.)

Cut a piece of 2x4 or other strong wood to a length that will let you rest the alto clarinet on one end in a comfortable playing position while the other end of the wood touches the leg of the chair you normally sit on.

Leave the wooden stick on the plunger, but cut the stick short, to just the right height so that, when you set the stick-end of the plunger on top of the piece of 2x4, the cup, with the concave side facing upwards, holds the bell of the alto clarinet at the right height for playing. Using 4 metal L-brackets of 2 different sizes (so that screws will not collide in the middle of the plunger stick), screw the plunger stick firmly onto the piece of 2x4 with the plunger cup facing up. Paint all the wood and metal black.

Now measure a strong band of elastic (this can also be had in black, at fabric stores) so that it will fit around your chair leg with room to attach the ends of the elastic to the sides of the 2x4. Attach one end of the elastic permanently to the 2x4. On the other side of the 2x4, screw in a screw with a large head, but leave the head of the screw sticking out enough so that you can fasten the loose end of the elastic to it with either a loop or a buttonhole that you sew or otherwise create in the loose end. When you play, loop the elastic around the chair leg. (You can also fasten both ends of the elastic permanently to the board, a quicker way to create the stand, but the ability to fasten and unfasten will prove more handy, in case you ever need to sit on those folding metal school chairs that have the front and back sets of legs made as one unit each of bent metal, instead of as separate legs.) Bracing the stick against the chair leg this way improves stability and reduces the chance of the clarinet and/or stand sliding across the floor. For more stability (drag), you can glue rough fabric to the bottom of the piece of 2x4. For even more stability, use a strap that won't stretch instead of the elastic--but that option has the disadvantage that you can't make small changes in your position as easily while playing.

You now have a portable alto clarinet support that will not mar the bell.

Lelia
http://www.scoreexchange.com/profiles/Lelia_Loban
To hear the audio, click on the "Scorch Plug-In" box above the score.

Post Edited (2008-08-03 17:10)

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 Re: Alto Clarinet - Floor Peg
Author: Don Gross (---.proxy.aol.com - ISP in United States)
Date:   2008-08-03 20:13
Attachment:  Alto Clarinet Stand 004.jpg (114k)

Lelia,

I've attached a photo of the stand I built based on essentially the same design principles you suggested. The top "joint" of the stand is simply a 2" ABS coupling. For the "body" I cut various lengths of 2" ABS drain pipe (depending on chair height) which fit into a 2" x 4" ABS reducer which is glued into a piece of 1" x 6" pine after cutting out a 4" diameter hole with a jigsaw. With black ABS pipe and fittings, only the base needed to be painted black. All the joints can be separated and adjusted "slightly."

The bell rests in the 2" ABS coupling and is free to rotate in all directions. Being soft plastic, it does not mar the bell in the slightest. The only "improvement" I would suggest is perhaps a larger base for stability.

While it "works," I still would like to get a real floor peg designed specifically for an alto clarinet. I also have tried a Neotec strap but I'm just to used to floor pegs on my bass, contra alto, and contrabass clarinets.

Thanks again for your suggestions!

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 Re: Alto Clarinet - Floor Peg
Author: C2thew (---.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net - ISP in Los Angeles, CA United States)
Date:   2008-08-03 21:49

that looks like an accident waiting to happen....

i'm an alto player, but probably nowhere near the l.a. clarinet choir's capabilities. when's your next concert coming? i'll try to attend that

Our inventions are wont to be pretty toys, which distract our attention from serious things. they are but improved means to an unimproved end, an end which was already but too easy to arrive as railroads lead to Boston to New York
-Walden; Henry Thoreau

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 Re: Alto Clarinet - Floor Peg
Author: Don Gross (---.proxy.aol.com - ISP in United States)
Date:   2008-08-03 23:09

The next concert by the Los Angeles Clarinet Choir will be Saturday, November 15, at 7:30 p.m. at La Crescenta Presbyterian Church in La Crescenta, California. We'll be performing the same concert on Saturday, September 22, at 2:00 p.m. at the Santa Monica, California public library. In the meantime, you can view/listen to us on YouTube (search on Los Angeles Clarinet Choir) or follow the LACC links on our director Margaret Thornhill's Website, www.margaretthornhill.com.

P.s. We're also in need of one more Bb soprano clarinet player. If you or anyone else you know might be interested in auditioning, please e-mail Margaret Thornhill at: clarinetstudio@ca.rr.com to set up a time.



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 Re: Alto Clarinet - Floor Peg
Author: clarnibass (77.127.111.---)
Date:   2008-08-04 04:22

>> I've tried unsuccessfully to find a floor peg assembly to be
>> soldered onto the smaller alto clarinet bell that's made expressly
>> for the alto clarinet and not a cut-down bass clarinet assembly.

But does a bass clarinet assembly work? It isn't completely clear from your post, but it sounds like this could possoblt work but you are against the idea for some other reason?

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 Re: Alto Clarinet - Floor Peg
Author: Lelia Loban (---.washdc.btas.verizon.net - ISP in Washington, DC United States)
Date:   2008-08-04 12:09

Wow, Don, your stand looks a *lot* nicer than mine! Still, I have to agree with C2thew that it
>>looks like an accident waiting to happen....>>

The advantage to using the toilet plunger cup and attaching the stand to the chair leg is stability that still allows for some freedom of movement.

Lelia
http://www.scoreexchange.com/profiles/Lelia_Loban
To hear the audio, click on the "Scorch Plug-In" box above the score.

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 Re: Alto Clarinet - Floor Peg
Author: GBK (---.dyn.optonline.net - ISP in Southampton, NY United States)
Date:   2008-08-04 12:13

Lelia Loban wrote:

> The advantage to using the toilet plunger cup and attaching the
> stand to the chair leg is stability that still allows for some
> freedom of movement.


No pun intended, of course [wink] ...GBK

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 Re: Alto Clarinet - Floor Peg
Author: Don Gross (---.proxy.aol.com - ISP in United States)
Date:   2008-08-04 14:21

With regard to modifying a bass clarinet peg assembly, the curved portion of the assembly that holds the rod and is soldered to the bell would have to be re-shaped to match the reduced curvature of the alto clarinet bell. Also, the "solderable" length of the alto bell is only 11/16" versus almost 1" on most bass clarinets. Hence the "body" (with the tightening screw) would hang over by 5/16" unless it was somehow "shortened" but it could be made to work. I'm just saddened by the total lack of response from the major instrument makers of alto clarinets and basset horns -- Leblanc and Buffet -- that indeed come standard with such floor pegs.

With regard to it being an accident waiting to happen, I have used the stand for upwards of 10 rehearsals and played two full (one-hour) concerts and have had no tipping problems at all. After the first few rehearsals, I also stopped using my Neotec "insurance" neckstrap.



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 Re: Alto Clarinet - Floor Peg
Author: Brenda Siewert (74.197.85.---)
Date:   2008-08-04 15:14

I, too, played an alto with a double hook neck strap.

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