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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2003-07-17 20:38
Hi,
Does anyone know of a clarinet solo with band called Pipe Dreams? I think it was by Clare Grundman or Frank Erickson (some concert band music standard-bearers). About a late 1950s compostion. As I recall, a beautiful piece. I'm trying to locate it but have failed with all search engines.
Any help out there?
HRL
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Author: Mark Pinner
Date: 2003-07-17 23:02
Try Carl Fischer or Boosey and Hawkes. Not everything is on the internet the telephone and snail mail are still in vogue in some quarters.
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2003-07-17 23:20
Hi Mark,
I tried those two sources as well as J.W. Pepper and no luck. I suspect out of print and the only way I'll find Pipe Dreams is if someone has the arrangement in their library somewhere.
Thanks,
HRL
Post Edited (2003-07-18 11:46)
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Author: hans
Date: 2003-07-18 00:05
Hank,
It may not be what you are looking for.......
Hans
http://www.google.ca/search?q=cache:iON_9HBlf1gJ:www.kendormusic.com/courier/courier_spring_2002.htm+pipe+dreams+clarinet+music&hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2003-07-18 01:29
Hi Hans,
Thanks for the assist but that does not look like what I'm looking for.
HRL
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Author: GBK
Date: 2003-07-18 04:22
Not listed in the Opperman Repertory of the Clarinet ...GBK
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Author: ken
Date: 2003-07-18 17:06
Hank, I'm a clarinet player and been in the “pro" concert band business 30 years. I’ve never heard of this piece. Clare Grundman however is an industry old-timer but generally associated with band works at the grade and high school levels (which might explain why I’ve never heard of it). Given the mountains of rare and out-of-print band music your best bet might be to contact the library of an active duty U.S. military band or local schools...maybe a college music department. There's also, always the Library of Congress. If the chart is less than 50 years old, chances are there's a dusty copy sitting on a shelf somewhere. v/r Ken
Post Edited (2003-07-18 17:48)
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2003-07-18 23:27
Hi Ken,
I think you are right on with your advice and I plan to contact my university music department about this.
There is one small piece of information though that I did not mention. Several of the pieces we played in the university band at that time were in manuscript. It seems that the director had a very close relationship with several composers and we may have been performing truly unpublished manuscripts. Perhaps Pipe Dreams was one of those; I can't remember the specific after all these years.
Unfortunately, the director is long gone.
HRL
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Author: ken
Date: 2003-07-19 13:09
Hank, most definitely, if you suspect this piece is unpublished always contact the original source last seen and played. However, if Grundman wrote it I'd bet the farm it WAS published and although out of print, copies are under the right rock. Grundman was the Richard Rogers on steroids of concert band lit .... cranked out more charts [ PLEASE keep the language in taste for all ages. Mark C. ]
Good luck in your search which hopefully won't become a quest. The good news is there's an enormous wealth of outstanding clarinet/band solos out there at all skill levels to select from. v/r Ken
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Author: William
Date: 2003-07-19 16:39
Hank, there is some small memory byte (in my brain) that seems to remember a composition (elementary level solo) by that name. I will check a few sources (public schools, muni band, etc) here in the Capitol City, WI and see what I can come up with.
FYI--"Pipe Dreams" is also a regular broadcast over our WERN-FM PBS station which features pipe organ performances from various international venues.
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2003-07-19 17:39
William,
Yes, not a difficult clarinet solo as I recall but very nice sounding. Definately not a bravura piece at all. Glad that there was a little resonation in your mind on this.
Thanks,
HRL
PS Yes, Michael Barone is the Pipe Dreams host, I believe.
Post Edited (2003-07-19 17:39)
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2008-06-29 17:00
Hi Everyone,
I just wanted you to know that I got a copy of Clare Grundman's Pipe Dreams (dedicated to George Waln of Oberlin Conservatory) from Willie Dunne of County Wicklow, Ireland. Willie saw my posts about the piece in this BB sometime ago and provided me with the band arrangement which is POP and from Boosey & Hawkes.
The piece will have its NW Ohio premier (if there is such a thing) this coming Wednesday when I will perform it with the Findlay, OH Civic Band at 7 PM in Riverside Park. There may be some streaming video available after the concert so if anyone is interested, just email me for the link and instructions.
As Willie said in a recent email when I told him about the performance "I am absolutely delighted that you have saved Pipe Dreams from a life on the library shelf."
HRL
PS If you are in NW Ohio on Wednesday evening, drop on in to Riverside Park.
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Author: allencole
Date: 2008-06-29 17:41
Perhaps you could get it onto YouTube. I'd love to hear it.
Allen Cole
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Author: Lynn
Date: 2008-06-29 23:15
Hank,
From one old airplane driver to another I really hope you can get it posted on YouTube. I look forward to hearing/seeing you play.
Lynn
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2008-06-30 03:36
Hi Allen and Lynn (hey, how are you!!),
We'll see what comes of it. Things are not very advanced down in Findlay, OH.
The number itself is very lovely and lyrical; perfect for a summer evening in the park. However, with a title that took on a whole new meaning in the 1960s, we had considered using the subtitle which is Reverie for Clarinet.
HRL
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Author: Bassie
Date: 2008-06-30 11:56
Big respect for Mr. Grundman since 'Caprice for Clarinet' became our quartet's theme tune back in the day. Wonderful distinctive stuff. Hope this works out!
(What's POP mean?)
Post Edited (2008-06-30 12:00)
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2008-06-30 12:08
Hi Bassie,
POP is Permanently Out of Print. And with US Copyright Laws the way they are, that is still probably not license to copy.
HRL
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Author: Bassie
Date: 2008-06-30 14:16
Thanks Hank.
So what happens with these oddities? How might it be possible to bring the score to a wider audience?
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2008-06-30 14:44
Bassie,
I do not know the answer. Perhaps Mark C. might have an opinion. He is very knowledgeable about copyright issues.
HRL
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2008-06-30 15:18
Hank Lehrer wrote:
> POP is Permanently Out of Print. And with US Copyright Laws the
> way they are, that is still probably not license to copy.
Unfortunate but true - being POP doesn't relinquish control of copyright to public domain (in the US, anyway ...)
You can request that the publisher allow you to copy the work officially (if you can actually find a copy somewhere). The MPA has a form to help you with that:
http://mpa.org/copyright_resource_center/pdfs/op_revised.pdf
Good luck!
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Author: mrn
Date: 2008-06-30 15:33
Just because something is out of print does not mean you have a right to copy it (although borrowing it from another ensemble is perfectly fine).
I looked this piece up in the Copyright Office database--it's apparently called "Pipe Dream" (singular, not plural) and the copyright was held by the original author (not by the publisher), it seems. She apparently died in 1996, so that means that whoever her heirs/legatees were would own the copyright to this piece.
Boosey & Hawkes published this piece, but apparently no longer does. I would imagine that if you contacted them, though, they could put you in touch with whoever is receiving the royalty checks from the many other Grundman pieces Boosey publishes (who, presumably, are the same folks who own the copyright to Pipe Dream). Whoever presently owns the copyright could give you permission to copy the work.
Incidentally, it looks as if there was also a clarinet/piano version of this piece published, as there are two different copyright registrations.
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2008-07-01 03:19
Hi MRN,
Thanks a lot and that is correct, the title is Pipe Dream. The original post was from 2003 and all I could remember at the time was Pipe Dreams and did not know exactly the title until I got the arrangement from Willie.
I also have the condensed score and it has the piano reduction as well. At least that's what I remember as the conductor has the score right now.
Thanks for the insights.
HRL
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Author: mrn
Date: 2008-07-01 20:20
Hank Lehrer wrote:
> Thanks for the insights.
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> HRL
You're very welcome!
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2008-07-03 12:39
Hi Everyone,
Well, the concert is history and I was able to perform Pipe Dream before the rains came and my embouchure wore out. I think the number was well received (I do know that many section clarinetists want solo copies for practice) and I think Grundman would have been pleased. It's a very lovely and lyrical piece which was perfect for a concert in the park on a summer evening.
The only problem was the soloist microphone was experiencing some problems during the first phrase or two. It was pretty funny to see the sound guy crawl up by my feet as I was playing to check the connections (turned out to be his amp).
I hope to have a sound file (no video but that would have been great to see the guy crawling) to post soon.
HRL
PS My two 5th grade clarinetist granddaughters were in attendance which was a real thrill for me.
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2008-07-06 18:36
"PS My two 5th grade clarinetist granddaughters were in attendance which was a real thrill for me."
If you think that was a thrill, wait until you have a chance to perform with them.
Congratulations on the concert, Hank! I look forward to hearing the recording.
Best regards,
jnk
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2008-07-06 22:45
Thanks, guys.
We'll see how the recording comes out. There were a couple of clams.
But the Salute to Artie Shaw (the other number I played) went very well since the sound guy had gotten his amp fixed. Nothing like a little jazz improvisation to take the pressure off.
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