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Author: Sarah Elbaz
Date: 2008-06-09 20:22
Three years ago some one offerd me to buy an old clarinet that, as this person said, belongd to a very known clarinetist.
I tried the instrument (and Tony Pay did too), and it is very good, but I suspected that this instrument couldn't belong to the person who was trying to sell it.
After a long investigation, I came to the conclusion that the instrument was taken from an institution ,although the person who has it says that it was bought. I did talk with that institution, but they couldn't proof that the instrument belongs to them although they know it does.
I didn't buy the insrtument but heard that some one wants to buy it now, or already did. I warned him that there is a problem with the instrument but didn't hear from him.
I am wondering if I should do something about it, and also hope that the person who was interested in buying the instrument will read my post and tell us if he did.
Sarah
Post Edited (2008-06-10 03:31)
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Author: hans
Date: 2008-06-09 21:12
Sarah,
Your desire to do the right thing is commendable. But it appears that no real proof exists that the instrument was stolen; i.e., the institution has not missed it for over three years and is not willing to examine the files to try to reclaim it. The loss of the instrument is primarily the institution's responsibility. Perhaps they have already received an insurance payment to compensate for the loss and that could explain their apparent lack of interest.
You risk becoming involved in defamation if you continue to pursue justice. The resulting cost to you could be substantial. It's best to forget it.
Hans
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Author: DavidBlumberg
Date: 2008-06-09 21:36
The institution either is disorganized enough to loose one of their instruments, or got paid already as the other poster pointed out.
Either way it doesn't sound like they are going to persue it.....
Maybe it's a lesson learned for them, maybe not.
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Author: cigleris
Date: 2008-06-09 23:40
The institution should look harder as they would have a record of all instruments bought, if it's a period (reproduction?) clarinet then they would also have an invoice from the maker. I think Hans is right on this though, best not to get to involved in something that could potentially harm you in the future.
Peter Cigleris
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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2008-06-10 00:10
I agree, leave it alone. ESP www.peabody.jhu.edu/457, (listen to a little Mozart)
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Author: Sarah Elbaz
Date: 2008-06-10 03:31
Thanks,
There will be no proof that it was sold, because it wasn't. It disappeard about 15-20 years ago and suddenly showed up 3 years ago.
I am talking about the basset horn of Simeon Bellison
The collection was given to the institution about 60 years ago, and they belive that the family gave the BH to Jerusalem Symphony. I checked it with a player from JSO, who retired about 20 years ago and he said that he remembers very well that he got the BH from the institution to play the Mozart Gran Partita and gave it back. It is true that the institution should do more.
I am a little concernd because the person who wants to but it (or did) doesn't have the skill to play it and very soon will try to sell it again.
Sarah
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Author: Sarah Elbaz
Date: 2008-06-10 05:41
Well,
I just got a message saying that the insrument wasn't bought.
Since it is offerd on the net, I would like to make clear that if someone buys this instrument , he or she are risking their money and the instrument will not belong to them even if they pay for it.
Sarah
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2008-06-10 11:07
Sarah Elbaz wrote:
> Since it is offerd on the net, I would like to make clear that
> if someone buys this instrument , he or she are risking their
> money and the instrument will not belong to them even if they
> pay for it.
Then, of course, you never really did have a moral question, did you? It was more of a moral statement ... since you gave us all the particulars.
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2008-06-10 14:13
> Then, of course, you never really did have a moral
> question, did you? It was more of a moral statement
> ... since you gave us all the particulars.
Since my first language is the same as Sarah's I can see why she wrote it this way. Maybe a better translation is "a question of moral", which doesn't necessarily means it is an actual question but a title for the thread. If it isn't clear you can change the thread name as you did for many threads before where the title wasn't clear.
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Author: Brenda Siewert
Date: 2008-06-10 14:29
There's very little anyone can do if the true owner doesn't care to pursue the issue. You have, however, made it public information concerning your findings and fears regarding this particular instrument. It's good the instrument and name came out in the discussion or otherwise we wouldn't have had a clue about it. After all this time it is doubtful it could be pursued legally since the current owner may or may not be the one who took the instrument from the institution. Very difficult to prove.
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Author: Sarah Elbaz
Date: 2008-06-11 05:34
If there wasn't a moral issue here, Mark, I would have bought the BH long time ago.
I have two good reasons not to give up-
One- I belive that sooner or later there will be someone in the institution that will understand the importace of the instrument, and will make the effort to bring it back.
Two- Simoeon Bellison did so much for clarinet players. If he thought that his instruments should be in Israel- I can do him this small favor and at least try that the BH will stay in the country and will go back were it belongs.
Sarah
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2008-06-11 08:47
...So why didn't you buy it and give it back to the institution?
Before someone in that institution gets his/her act together the instrument will have vanished from reach.
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Ben
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