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Author: mark weinstein
Date: 2000-09-08 01:27
Selmer sells a gold-colored crayon for use in "bringing out" the trademark seal on (you guessed it) Selmer clarinets. Does Buffet sell a crayon? The Buffet trademark seal looks whiter to me. (yes, I wondered if they used Ivory soap) So has anybody got a clue what to use or where to buy? Ferree's said "sorry, Selmer only". Thanks for any info. mw
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Author: Lelia
Date: 2000-09-08 18:09
I've tried the Ferree's crayon on an old Buffet clarinet and the color was definitely wrong. I did better by chipping, then grinding and mixing, some crayons from a Crayola 64 box. One thing to watch out for -- if the wood has an open grain that has "checked" with age, the crayon will fill the checks, making a blurry, sloppy-looking logo. I used a dry, soft toothbrush to brush the crayon out of one logo where that happened, then followed up with a rubbing of bore oil. It was so much work to get rid of that crayon without doing damage to the wood that now I test on just one number of the serial number, before I fool with the logo.
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Author: Willie
Date: 2000-09-09 00:51
I know what you mean by the grainy woods. Sometimes after "golding" I will use an old felt tipped eyebrow brush pirated from my wifes collection. I dip it lightly in black shoe polish to camoflage the gold that can't be removed without a lot of extra work. Works most of the time.
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Author: mark weinstein
Date: 2000-09-09 03:45
Leila & Willie, thanks. Leila, my wife has a bachelor's in art & a masters in art history. Any particular mix of Crayola's that works? Our oldest is now 9, so we have lots of crayons, buckets full around here! If I prod her long enough, she'd might mix some up (she doesn't think much of commercial art; her crowning glory @ OU was "Attack on South Oval",a work which involved superimposing a dinosaur into her art work - had it been done 15 years later she would have been rich & famous, sorry to digress) ps she is great with Loktite 401 & clarinet cases. Tom @ B&H, Francois Kloc's co-worker, swears by Loctite 401 & now I know why. This glue really bonds different materials together. Great for fabric & wood.
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Author: Lelia
Date: 2000-09-09 09:41
Is Locktite like Gorilla Glue? That's what I've been using. It's a gap-filling adhesive. I just checked the workroom and discovered my husband has Loktite, too. Thanks for the suggestion! Sorry I can't be more help with the Crayola formula, but I experimented around (testing on scrap wood from my husband's hobby woodworking) without much method and without taking notes. I don't remember exactly what's in the final batch. It's all from a Crayola 64 package, though, so I think you can come up with a good mix. The Crayola white is good for some other makers' logos, BTW.
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Author: Dee
Date: 2000-09-09 11:49
Loctite is commonly put on screws so that they won't come unscrewed by themselves due to vibration, etc. Yet it is not so strong as to prevent you from unscrewing the screw with a screwdriver.
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Author: J. Butler
Date: 2000-09-09 12:19
Fornby makes a magic marker type gold leaf "pen" that is much lighter in color than the crayola type. Also I've been experimenting with the gold "gel" pens that you get directly from the office supply, ie., Office Max, Staples, Office Depot, and some of them to a fair job. Still looking for that 'mystery' mix. The problem with most Buffet logos is that Buffet stamps them so shallow. It works better if you can get the old oil and grime out of the lines befor applying the gold leaf. I use a fine blue spring.
J. Butler
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Author: mark weinstein
Date: 2000-09-11 01:49
John, sounds like a good idea. My artist-in-residence agrees & actually has some that she has used in caligraphy work. I am going to call Francois tomorrow & find out if he has any different ideas.
Dee, I was talking about LOKTITE ... specifically their compound #401. Which is a general purpose adhesive. I think you are talking about a thread-locking compound. LOKTITE, does sell some stuff like that. Loktite is so expensive that I keep it in the refrigerator next to my film!
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Author: Willie
Date: 2000-09-11 02:21
Just be careful not to use the wrong Loctite compound. They also make some that is PERMANANT. They make a solvent to disolve some of their compounds but I've had some nuts and bolts that wouldn't break loose at all even with the solvent.
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Author: mark weinstein
Date: 2000-09-11 16:07
Willie, Loktite 401 is a VERY PERMANENT bonding agent. Loktite does may some compounds in the 200 range which can be used for threads. Here, I was talking about the arts & craft of reglueing surfaces of different materials (thus Loktite 401 which bonds UNcommon surfaces, like fabric to wood, foam to fabric, etc). I've run into many Cases where the Form under the Fabric inside the case is freely moving or the Fabric needs to be re-adhered to the Form .. or both.
mw
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Author: Lelia
Date: 2000-09-11 21:53
Okay, what my husband has is the permanent glue. I think I'll stay away from that for clarinet screws. Thanks for the information, folks. It's useful to know there are different products with such similar names.
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Author: mark weinstein
Date: 2000-09-12 18:21
Lelia, these manufacturers are sophisticated. Their products have plenty of charts & you can go on their Websites & learn WHICH product is right. I like older clarinets like Selmer Balanced Tone & Centered Tone. Problem is that somebody has already !$#&*%~ the case. SO, when a repair is undertaken it usually has to be approached gently & you have to plan for THIS (fix) to be it. We have tried many glues, some have better memories than others. Hot/cold glues.Loktite 401 works better on old Chesterfield cases than anything we've tried. When you need some "help" with "thread-locking" on those screws that keep on working their way out of the posts, this is the stuff to use. Loktite & other manufacturers sell a specific product for this need. Actually, it depends on the metal employed. mw
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