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Author: DavidBlumberg
Date: 2008-05-03 15:18
I've got some key oil that smells like "Pot". Not saying which brand as the name would be familiar here, have had it for about 3 years.
Doesn't smell particularly different from when I got it, but man, it really does smell like Pot which I really don't like the smell of at all.
Is there a shelf life to Key Oil? (would think not)
I know, it's hard to keep a straight face reading this post............
But it really does smell!
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Author: GBK
Date: 2008-05-03 15:29
Unless you are in the business of repairing and overhauling clarinets, for the average person a vile of key oil applied with a syringe should last a lifetime.
If you are annoyed by the smell (perhaps it contacted something foreign and became rancid), why don't you just buy a new $3 bottle?...GBK
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Author: skygardener
Date: 2008-05-03 15:42
I just did some looking around...
I have a bottle of Hetman oil that I got at least 7 years ago. It still looks and smells fine.
I have a bottle of Yamaha oil from about 4 years ago that has turned rather yellow in its clear bottle, but still has not the faintest oder of illicitness.
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Author: Ryan25
Date: 2008-05-03 15:44
I have had the same question. I have the doctor's key oil which works very well. I've had it for about 2 or 3 years and it smells just awful now and has turned a very dark yellow...almost brownish?
Maybe the doc can chime in on this.
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2008-05-03 15:51
I like the oils sold by http://www.musicmedic.com either the Alisyn or Ultimax. Neither has a significant smell. The Medium Viscosity from Ultimax and the Heavy Duty from Alisyn is a good viscosity for a clarinet player to use (the Alisyn is much cheaper). I've had both for a couple of years and they still look and smell like they did when I bought them.
I've never seen oil smell like pot but I have oil from one supplier (the Doctor) with a smell I really don't like which is the reason I use a different oil now. I would just try a different type of oil if you don't like the smell. I think Music Medic even has free shipping in USA.
Nitai
Post Edited (2008-05-03 15:56)
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Author: L. Omar Henderson
Date: 2008-05-03 16:41
(Disclaimer - I sell aerospace lubricants)
The synthetic Doctor Syntek key oils are a yellow to brownish color to begin with and do not have a shelf life - at least my 10 year old vial that I have been using is quite fine. I also cannot really comment on the smell - although others have said that it is not either pleasant or unpleasant - belongs to the nose of the beholder. My olfactory nerves and sense of smell have been "fried" due to too many years in the organic chemistry business so I am not a smeller any more. My aerospace lubricants come from the same source that makes Alisyn and other aerospace lubricants just the military spec. equivalents of the Alisyn brands at a lesser price.
L. Omar Henderson
www.doctorsprod.com
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2008-05-03 17:14
> I've got some key oil that smells like "Pot".
You sure this isn't a leftover from '68?
Must've been quite some freaks who used honey oil for their instrument keys...
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Ben
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Author: BobD
Date: 2008-05-03 17:59
But you haven't told us the brand name! That might help, or maybe you got it mixed up with one of the bore oils that can go rancid. Or someone put some codliver oil in the bottle as a practical joke.
Bob Draznik
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Author: bill28099
Date: 2008-05-03 18:12
> I've got some key oil that smells like "Pot".
Maybe it's called BC Bud
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Author: Brenda ★2017
Date: 2008-05-03 18:46
Why don't you sell it? Someone could be attracted to this very bottle because of its unusual characteristic.
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2008-05-03 19:18
> Why don't you sell it? Someone could be attracted to this very bottle
> because of its unusual characteristic.
Yeah, next we hear is from a certain David B in shackles who has fallen for a DEA agentess with a pink (or was it lime green) clarinet.
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Ben
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2008-05-03 21:18
What a weird thread ! My answer to the orig. ? is, some may have, others, with some anti-ox etc, may not, if used within a [short] life time. It depends [as in all things] on many factors, rite, Omar ? I've never had any "lube" oil problems, perhaps because I usually add a few drops of a "motor" oil, SAE 30, to my comm. cl oil, to give it a bit of "body" and lessen the evaporation- drying of lighter oils. My PM thots, Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: L. Omar Henderson
Date: 2008-05-03 22:57
(Disclaimer - once again about selling aerospace lubricants)
I guess that among the attributes of the aerospace synthetic oils and greases are that they:
do not change viscosity with temperature- e.g. weep out during hot weather or become thick with cold, they form a molecular bonding with the metal to keep more lubricant in contact with the metal, they do not evaporate like petroleum based oils to leave a sludge or "varnish" on metal parts that increases wear, they contain anti-rust and anti-corrosion additives which most key oils do not contain, and their coefficients of friction/viscosity are much less than petroleum based oils = better lubrication with thinner weight oils. Blummy thinks they smell like pot - you must be the judge of this and whether it is a plus or minus factor! On the horn there is no significant odor I've been told.
L. Omar Henderson
www.doctorsprod.com
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Author: MichaelR
Date: 2008-05-03 23:28
L. Omar Henderson wrote:
> Blummy thinks they
> smell like pot - you must be the judge of this and whether it
> is a plus or minus factor! On the horn there is no significant
> odor I've been told.
Did the Doctor just out himself as the source of the aromatic oil? Darn. My newly purchased supply doesn't share that attribute.
Have to admit his description of the oil's properties made me want to buy a large bottle to use as bicycle chain lube.
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Michael of Portland, OR
Be Appropriate and Follow Your Curiosity
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2008-05-04 08:39
I wouldn't be surprised if the oil with strange smell is the one from the Doctor (though I don't really know) since from the many I've tried, it was the only one with a weird smell that I didn't like, or any weird smell at all (but it doesn't smell like pot to me). It is also the only product from the Doctor (and I've tried many) that has a weird smell. All his other products don't have a significant smell or even smell very nice (like his natural cork grease).
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Author: Gordon (NZ)
Date: 2008-05-04 12:07
As far as I know, we still don't know for sure what oil Blummy has.
If it has a vegetable oil component, it could well have gone rancid.
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2008-05-04 15:36
Nye Clock Oil, which is very light and which many people recommend, is, or at least used to be, whale oil. When sperm whale oil became unavailable, I'm told they switched to porpoise oil. At any rate, whatever it's made of now, it's still from animals. Thus it goes rancid after about a year.
I've had many bottles of it, and it all has gone rancid and smells awful after about a year.
Ken Shaw
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Author: hans
Date: 2008-05-04 16:34
Storage temperature may be a factor, since higher temperatures may facilitate polymerization via cross-linking. That could explain a change in color and perhaps also in odor; e,g., old gasoline usually develops a very distinctive odor and forms "gum". Maybe users of aerospace lubricants should consider storing them in a refrigerator.
Automotive oils normally contain antioxidants so that Don Berger's home brew formula maybe be resistant to oxidation. I'm considering adding some motor oil to my clarinet oil too, but for cold weather outdoor playing perhaps it should be 10W30 :-)
Hans
Post Edited (2008-05-04 16:40)
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Author: Lelia Loban ★2017
Date: 2008-05-04 16:38
I can't go too holier-than-thou on this subject, since I eat meat, but if somebody's making oil from dead cousins of Flipper, then I wouldn't want it even if it didn't go rancid! I mean, eeeeeeewwwww.
Lelia
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2008-05-04 16:58
Well...I have no scruples killing an animal if it means that we're using ALL (and I mean ALL) of it. But just for some oil, or tenderloins, or fur, and throw the rest away - nope, no way.
I don't care if this is off-topic. But wasting good stuff can't ever be off-topic.
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Ben
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Author: L. Omar Henderson
Date: 2008-05-04 17:51
(Disclaimer - as above)
The aerospace key oils and grease lubricants contain anti-rust and corrosion additatives and are formulated not to oxidize, not polymerize, or otherwise change properties. The temperature range is -60 to 300 degrees F and are likewise not affected by temperature. As indicated, I have had key oil out on the bench for over 10 years and although my smeller is not very good I do remember the days of the late 60's and pot smell and it does not have that distinctive odor IMO.
L. Omar Henderson
www.doctorsprod.com
Post Edited (2008-05-04 17:51)
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2008-05-04 18:05
Lelia Loban wrote:
> I can't go too holier-than-thou on this subject, since I eat
> meat, but if somebody's making oil from dead cousins of
> Flipper, then I wouldn't want it even if it didn't go rancid!
Porpoise jaw oil was/(is??) considered better than whale oil for lubrication of fine mechanics. It has the property, as do some of the synthetics, of not spreading, a real problem in light oils, but via a different method than synthetics (epilame method instead of surface tension or autophobia)
Good 'ole neatsfoot oil was originally derived by rendering the feet and shin bones of cattle ...
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2008-05-04 18:08
BTW - I spent a few months in the tribology research lab at Ford (writing software for tests, but accidentally learned a little bit ...) VERY interesting stuff ...
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Author: Gordon (NZ)
Date: 2008-05-06 10:10
Epilame! Autophobia!
New ones on me. Thanks, Mark for these words.
Interesting:
http://www.nyelubricants.com/pdf/nonspreading_oils.pdf
Post Edited (2008-05-06 10:11)
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Author: Lelia Loban ★2017
Date: 2008-05-06 15:18
>>Porpoise jaw oil was/(is??) considered better than whale oil for lubrication of fine mechanics.>>
Yeah, but we eat the beef and use the leather. As Ben wrote,
>Well...I have no scruples killing an animal if it means that we're using ALL (and I mean ALL) of it. But just for some oil, or tenderloins, or fur, and throw the rest away - nope, no way.
>
Yes. We're not farming porpoises--and they're highly intelligent.
Lelia
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