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Author: janlynn
Date: 2008-04-30 13:54
Do you have more than 1 Bb clarinet? if so, how many, and why.
It seems even tho I'm an adult, I have to justify to my father why I got a second clarinet. I know that many people have 2 or more...what are your reasons? I want to be prepare with some good answers.
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Author: JJAlbrecht
Date: 2008-04-30 13:58
A backup in case of failure at a critical time (day of performance, etc.)
One in wood and another rubber/ABS for outdoor use in inclement weather.
Different clarinets have different "sounds" and may be more suited to certain music.
I forgot I had this other one (or these three) lying around in the other room!
And my favorite: It's my money, dammit, and if I want more than one clarinet, I'll get another one! ![[hot]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/hot.gif)
Jeff
“Everyone discovers their own way of destroying themselves, and some people choose the clarinet.” Kalman Opperman, 1919-2010
"A drummer is a musician's best friend."
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Author: Tobin
Date: 2008-04-30 14:10
Hello Janlynn
My first R13 developed a crack that was repaired but deemed debilitating by the Brannen's.
(Good excuse to buy...) My second R13 from IMS in 2003.
(Sitting second fiddle to...) my third R13, a 1967 that has tremendous sound.
(Sitting in a case...) because I've purchased a Lyrique and I'm giving it an extended tryout.
Not to mention an E11 I bought at a steal and a metal clarinet that I'm going to have worked up.
All other purchase ideas on hold and must ultimately be cleared by my wife!
James
PS...I'm with JJ's favorite reason there...
Gnothi Seauton
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Author: weberfan
Date: 2008-04-30 14:38
You've read about GAS in these threads? Gear Acquisition Syndrome.
My daughter, who is 26 and knows something about hiking gear and rowing gear (she coaches college crew), saw it happening to me early on with the clarinet. She's right.
Almost any endeavor or pastime is ripe for gear acquisition. Clarinet playing is no different, I have found. Mouthpieces, ligatures, barrels, breath-improvement gizmos, the latest microfiber swabs. Get into the tech side, and you've got an entire workbench to outfit. (I'm currently looking for just the right flat bastard file for reeds.)
By that measure, what's two Bb clarinets? The one I'm re-learning on is an old plastic Selmer. Eventually, I hope to buy an R13. I'll use the Selmer for band concerts outdoors, where weather is likely to be unkind to a wood clarinet. And then there's my 40-year-old Vito Reso-Tone 3, which needs an overhaul. I bought it used in the 1970's from a great old swing-band trumpeter named Pee Wee Irwin.
It has sentimental value, and I'll bet that once it's fixed up, it'll sound better than the Selmer.
Oh, and once I feel I've got a handle on the Bb, maybe I'll think about an A.
Acquire and be happy!
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Author: Brenda Siewert
Date: 2008-04-30 14:58
Well, I have more than one. At the moment I have three. One is my main player and the other two are back-ups.
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Author: John O'Janpa
Date: 2008-04-30 16:29
But the Silver King was so!!! cute.
The eefer looked like an orphan.
Of course I need six of the same kind for spare parts in case something breaks.
I have a wooden one for indoor concerts, a metal one for outdoors in the sun, and a plastic one for outdoors in the rain.
All that spare space under the grand piano was just going to waste.
All serious clarinetists have a Bb, an A, a C, an effer, an alto, a bass, a contra alto, and a contrabass.
Good Luck.
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2008-04-30 16:50
I have three. One is my main instrument. One is my backup. I probably wouldn't buy a backup clarinet, but I already had it before so I decided to keep it as a backup. The third I never use but don't sell it for sentimental reasons (really I should get over it and sell it).
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Author: Tony Beck
Date: 2008-04-30 16:51
"A rational mind is a gift from God, for with it, one can rationalize anything one has a mind to!" Poor Richard
Symphonie 3, 19/7; Great tuning, beautiful tone, even response, goes with my A.
Couesnon Monopole; Beautiful sound, very even, better projection than the Symphonies (but not as good intonation).
Kohlert Full Boehm; Band version of the Overture to Saving Private Ryan actually has low Ebs.
Kohlert 17/7; It was $10 on that auction site, and it plays very well for a 90 year old horn.
Bundy: My cousin gave it to me, it plays well and it's a good rainy day backup.
Selmer Signet; Was my High School horn and now is my daughter's.
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Author: Adam W
Date: 2008-04-30 17:09
I have FOUR B-flat clarinets.
I have my professional clarinet that I use for Orchestra, Wind Ensemble, solo, chamber music, etc. (Selmer Signature)
I have a clarinet that I've had since 6th grade, and now I use it in marching band and basketball band. (Yamaha YCL250)
My friend in high school ended up just giving me her clarinet after high school was over. It works really well, but I think that's because she just never practiced... I use it for outdoor summer concerts. (Yamaha YCL250)
I have a, basically, brand new plastic clarinet that I got off of my H.S. band director after a junior high student gave up beginner's band and left it. It works, as far as plastic clarinets go, but I can't really justify why I own it... (LeBlanc)
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2008-04-30 17:28
I've lost count how many Bbs I've got.
And the more I think about it, the more it hurts trying to remember!
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Lelia Loban ★2017
Date: 2008-04-30 17:46
>>Do you have more than 1 Bb clarinet? if so, how many, and why.>>
rsholmes wrote,
>It followed me home!>
They do that to me, too. I'm innocently walking through the flea market, not looking for anything, you understand--just talking with a friend or six--and I hear this clunkety clunkety clunk noise behind me and I turn around and there's nothing there. I start walking again. Clunkety clunkety. Turn around. Nothing there. Momentary dizzy spell--pocketbook feels lighter, somehow. Later, at home, it looks to me as if there's another case on the heap. Pick the case up. Heavy. Something's in there. I peek inside. Yup, another one. So totally not my fault. I had no idea. Really. It's moved right in and made itself at home and expects me to feed it some reeds and maybe some corks and a few pads. How can I starve the poor orphan and throw it back outside?
Shadow Cat claims they breed in the closets at night, too. Also outside the closets. There are some things it is better not to know.
Lelia
http://www.scoreexchange.com/profiles/Lelia_Loban
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Author: William
Date: 2008-04-30 18:15
I have: two Bb R13s, one A R13, one Bb Concerto, one A Concerto, one C E11, one Yamaha effer, one Bunday Resonite effer, one Selmer 9* & one B (that's right, B natural) Albert system Peddler in an antique double case. I use the Concertos, E11 & Yamaha effer for most of my orhestral & wind ensemble work. I keep one R13 in each of my Selmer sax cases to avoid the constant switching issue (one is gold plated for effect). My R13 A is currently sitting on the shelf along side the 9*, the Bundy effer and the antique Peddler. Oh, I also have two metal Bb's which are hanging somewhere on the wall--one with a vintage Ithica Bay mpc & lig for effect.
[also, btw, a Bb Prestige 1190-2 low C bass which gets a lot of use]
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Author: Katrina
Date: 2008-04-30 19:18
If your Prestige Bass ever needs a home, William, let me know...I hope I'm still on GBK's list for 1967-74 R13 donations as well!
As for me, I've got a few clarinets:
Bb R13
Signet Bb (my first clarinet ever...sentimental value)
Selmer Series 9 Full Boehm
No-name Albert Bb
Metal Bb clarinet (from ex-father-in-law...anyone want it? )
high-pitch Albert Bb
Others:
R13 A
Turkish metal G
Eb (intermediate wooden)
Albert C
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Author: blazian
Date: 2008-04-30 20:26
I currently have three and a half. One is my Allegro for concert music, my Bundy for my marching, and my Evette for backup marching and parts. The "half" is the top half of another Bundy. I don't play any of those right now because of my switch to bass though.
I have tons of mouthpieces including a Fobes Nova, 3 unmarked ones, a 5RVL, and a cheap metal one from eBay.
- Martin
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Author: leonardA
Date: 2008-04-30 20:34
I have a plastic Vito and a wood Buffet E-11. Got the plastic one first for next to nothing on ebay and later upgraded to the E-11 and kept the Vito because I had so little in it. I mostly play on the E-11, but once in a while I like the play the Vito. It's lighter, and sometimes I do better fingering wise on it than the E-11. I would also use it outdoors if that ever came up. I have no plans to have more than these two, or a replacement for either but GAS arises sometimes when you least expect it.
Leonard
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Author: Arlee
Date: 2008-04-30 20:55
Hi, Janlynn;
Lemme see, at last count there were 23 that I know the whereabouts of. 28 if I include the 'junkers' and 34 if the boneyard can be counted. In case you haven't guessed by now, I'm a retired repair guy
I actually have two - one wood, one hard rubber, that I play frequently.
The rest are leftovers from the business days. Not to worry though, they're all finding new homes...
=A=
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2008-04-30 21:00
leonardA wrote:
> I have no plans to have more than these two
Ha! You wish. That's what I thought too when I bought my 2nd one.
Meanwhile it's a Marigaux RS for concert, my trusty wooden Amati for outdoors (nice), a plastic Amati for yucky outdoors, a Metal Rauber/Leblanc for shows, and some Bundies and Vitos awaiting auctions or overhauls.
And these are only the Bb instruments...
--
Ben
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Author: blazian
Date: 2008-04-30 22:07
Yeah. Just wait 'til we start talking about our NON Bb clarinets. We could go on for hundreds of posts.
- Martin
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2008-04-30 22:19
Right, all Bb clarinets you said (keywork configuration in brackets):
Selmers:
K-series (20/7)
N-series CT (17/6)
N-series CT (19/7)
R-series CT (20/7)
W-series Series 9 (20/7)
A-series Series 9 (20/7)
B&H Regent (17/6)
B&H Marlborough (17/6)
Buffet R13 (20/7)
Hammerschmidt 'Klingson' cocobolo (18/7)
Leblanc LL (20/7)
Yamaha YCL-24 (converted to 18/7)
Adler 'Caradl' simple German system
Keilwerth Oehler (24 key, 444Hz)
Yamaha YCL 657-24 Oehler
(Once had a B&H Series 2-20, but it got nicked. And once had a B&H 1010, but I managed to part with it, same with a P-series Selmer CT 17/6. It's not easy letting go!)
I think that's the lot.
Reason why? Compulsive hoarder I reckon.
And the other Bb instruments:
Buffet Prestige bass (to low C)
Selmer SA80II soprano sax
Yamaha YSS-62 soprano sax
Yamaha YTS-32 tenor sax
Yamaha YTS-875 tenor sax
(Sold my Selmer bass in '93, and sold my YTS-62 tenor more recently)
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: hans
Date: 2008-04-30 23:33
Two. One that I play and one that's on loan to my neighbor's daughter.
Hans
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Author: Ryder
Date: 2008-05-01 02:14
It's hard to get rid of your old one when you buy a new one. So I use the excuse of having a "back-up."
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Author: Cindyr
Date: 2008-05-01 03:04
Selmer Series 9 (play in concert band)
Yamaha YCL 250 (play in ensemble)
Buffet B-12 (shinny plastic version)
2 Buffet B-12's
(ABS Resin version)
Leblanc 7214
Selmer 1400
Antiques: JTL A and B matched set
circa 1880 High Pitch Albert System
Conn Hard Rubber Albert System (1930's?)
Conn Director 1950's
Pedler Ebonite (my high school and college clarinet)
Also: Two Bundy 2 alto saxes (one my son plays in the school band), a Bundy 2 Flute, and some soprano one tenor wooden recorder, and a few keyboards.
It's fun to have clarinets from each of the big four makers. It's also fun to have a few antiques and try to learn the Albert System fingering. Plus, all of the previous excuses sound good to me!
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Author: Mike Clarinet
Date: 2008-05-01 07:45
I have 3 Bb's and a bass at home:
My E11 which got me through school
My RC which I bought when I got made redundant from work & found a new job very quickly. This is my main instrument.
My wife's B&H Emperor
My wife's LeBlanc Bass, which is her main instrument these days.
Not to mention a collection of assorted recorders, guitars, a 1924 vintage Conn alto sax, keyboards, ocarinas and assorted 'toy & novelty silly noises'
All I want now is a reasonable piano & somewhere to put it.
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2008-05-01 09:34
> All I want now is a reasonable piano & somewhere to put it.
FWIW we got a digital Kawai (CL series). Takes very little room, both financially and space-wise. And the action is really good.
Yes, it has several Bb keys. (hapless attempt to stay on-topic)
--
Ben
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Author: JJAlbrecht
Date: 2008-05-01 13:58
addict? Who's an addict??? I can stop any time I want to.
Yeah... that's it. I can stop any time.
Jeff
“Everyone discovers their own way of destroying themselves, and some people choose the clarinet.” Kalman Opperman, 1919-2010
"A drummer is a musician's best friend."
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Author: Bill
Date: 2008-05-01 21:58
Never buy more than one clarinet. Also, it's important to have just the one mouthpiece.
Bill Fogle
Ellsworth, Maine
(formerly Washington, DC)
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Author: Chelle
Date: 2008-05-02 01:09
I have a 1947 ES Buffet clarinet which is my primary Bb clarinet (although I consider my primary instrument to be my bass clarinet - which is a 1967 Noblet).
I have a c 1928 Conn 524 metal clarinet which I bought as a novelty and recently discovered that it's worth much more than I paid. I played it in pit orchestra just last week.
I have an unknown albert clarinet (possibly gunckel) of unknown vintage which I bought as a novelty and I'm in the process of getting it fixed up, but it's not playable yet.
And I recently sold my Selmer CL300 which I'd had for 18 years (between it and the Buffet, I'll play the Buffet so I figured someone else could get some use out of the Selmer).
I'm also toying with the idea of finding a C clarinet so I can cover oboe parts in pit orchestra.
And ultimately, I'd also like an Eb clarinet and a tenor sax (already have an alto), and I'm toying with the idea of learning the flute.
-Chelle
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Author: Ursa
Date: 2008-05-02 08:16
I have two B-flats with a third on the way...
My main horn is a Vito 7124 with a Selmer HS* mouthpiece, Rovner 1R ligature, and Ridenour hard rubber barrel.
In the closet sits a gift from my sister, a metal Pan American awaiting restoration.
On the way is a Normandy 4 that I just won on an auction site. If it proves to be a good player, it will get an overhaul and become my main horn. The Vito will be relegated to backup and outdoor duty.
Also on the premises: Yamaha YEP-321S Euphonium, Conn F/E-flat Alto Horn, a pearwood Hohner and a plastic Cambridge soprano recorder, two cedar Native American flutes, a Wurlitzer console organ, a Squier by Fender Jazz Bass guitar, a Peavey Telecaster copy, a couple of guitar amps, a Remo practice pad, and various euphonium, horn, tuba, and clarinet mouthpieces.
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Author: Chris J
Date: 2008-05-02 14:57
9 clarinets
Leblanc Opus
Evette and Schaeffer (E13)
Couesnon Monopole 1952
Couesnon Monopole early 1960s
Couesnon ?Hors Concours
Silver King metal 1928
Bb Selmer Paris metal 1930
A Selmer Paris metal 1930 (full Boehm)
Leblanc Bass clarinet
Love 'em all....
Chris
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2008-05-02 15:35
"A Selmer Paris metal 1930 (full Boehm)" I like the sound of that one!
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: clarijen
Date: 2008-05-02 20:38
Janlynn, perhaps you should tell your father that he should just be glad he doesn't have to pay for your expensive hobby any more?! ;-)
I also like JJAlbrecht's favourite reason - "because I wanted to". I have two Bb clarinets (plus A, plus Eb), which really aren't necessary - one's a professional one (which I'm not), and the other is a high-end intermediate. I simply bought the more recent of the two because it was a great deal and I loved it! Only problem is, now I need the matching A for that one too...
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Author: JJAlbrecht
Date: 2008-05-02 20:45
Oh yweah, I forgot.
I have:
Evette Schaeffer Master Model
Leblanc Cadenza
My daughter has:
Buffet R13 Bb (my old one, made in 1971)
Buffet R13 A (New)
Bundy for marching
Loaner Eefer for band and symphony
So far, we have 6 clarinets between the two of us. Not as impressive a collection as some have, but I doubt that GAS won't hit again in the near future! ![[grin]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie5.gif)
Jeff
“Everyone discovers their own way of destroying themselves, and some people choose the clarinet.” Kalman Opperman, 1919-2010
"A drummer is a musician's best friend."
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Author: MichaelR
Date: 2008-05-02 21:30
Janlynn, you wrote "I got a second clarinet."
What are they? Why did you get the second?
My first clarinet was a Christmas present from my wife, a plastic pawn shop rescued Bundy. After a year I bought a Lyrique so I could have a horn that gave me no room for "it's the instrument" excuses. Now I know all the "problems" are me and not the instrument.
--
Michael of Portland, OR
Be Appropriate and Follow Your Curiosity
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Author: janlynn
Date: 2008-05-03 14:33
ok heres the deal
I had a selmer signature and got a Lyrique. first day I had it, i ripped off the cork on the bridge key. also my teacher bent a key trying to fix something.
ok, so just send it out for repair. take out my "old" clarinet and yuk. after playing the Lyrique, I didnt like it anymore. So I sold it for 1200.00 and got another Lyrique for a back up and an ATG reed system.
unfortunately, I dont own a credit card so my mom put it on theirs and I wrote her a check for the amount.
when the credit card statement came in, my father saw that I bought another clarinet and wanted to know why i needed 2?
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Author: MichaelR
Date: 2008-05-03 14:58
janlynn wrote:
> I had a selmer signature and got a Lyrique. first day I had it,
> i ripped off the cork on the bridge key. also my teacher bent a
> key trying to fix something.
Ow! Major pain, breakage on the new one.
> ok, so just send it out for repair. take out my "old" clarinet
> and yuk. after playing the Lyrique, I didnt like it anymore.
Could you expand on that? After just a day with the Lyrique the familiar signature becomes a yuk. That's incredible.
> unfortunately, I dont own a credit card so my mom put it on
> theirs and I wrote her a check for the amount.
Side note:
Your bank doesn't provide a VISA capable ATM/Debit card? If they do get one, they're great. (disclaimer: I'm employed by a bank that makes tons of money through card processing fees. But I was a fan of the debit VISA before I worked there. I'm not a fan of using plastic for every purchase)
> when the credit card statement came in, my father saw that I
> bought another clarinet and wanted to know why i needed 2?
As you could quickly point out, for a backup. Everyone that plays everyday needs a backup. Was he curious or critical?
--
Michael of Portland, OR
Be Appropriate and Follow Your Curiosity
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2008-05-03 18:11
MichaelR wrote:
> Side note:
> Your bank doesn't provide a VISA capable ATM/Debit card? If
> they do get one, they're great.
Except if they're lost or stolen or an unscrupulous employee makes a copy of the numbers. Your account can be drained with no recourse. With a credit card you're liable for a maximum of $50 (in the USA - I don't know about other country's rules).
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2008-05-03 18:15
I have an extra account for my MC. If my card is abused, the maximum I lose is what's on that account. Of course, I have to feed that account whenever I feel that GAS urge (kinda pon farr).
--
Ben
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Author: janlynn
Date: 2008-05-03 21:41
well, actually i had been playing on it for a few months and THEN my teacher bent a key.
and the reason i got the Lyrique was because I was having a lot on problems with the selmer. so after a few months when I got used to the Lyrique, what I didnt like about the selmer was "seemed" worse. I just didnt like it. and I thought if I sent my Lyrique out to be fixed, I would not be practicing "as if" I were playing on IT. since I didnt like it, why not sell it and get another clarinet like I have.
does that explain things better?
regarding the credit card. first, I had to wait very long for the clarinet and in the mean time, credit card numbers were stolen and the bank issued new cards to everyone at that bank. it just so happened that the same day one card was expiring and the new one was activated was the day they were trying to bill me. after some frustration and many emails to Ted (who works with Tom) I asked my mom to put it on her card. Later I found out that the reason my card didnt work was because it was a debit card and there is a limit on those (i'm guessing $500) and my purchase was more than that.
and how they recvd there money has nothing to do with my question, accept that that was how my father knew I got another clarinet.
he was both curious and critical. he plays pedal steel guitar and says he never has to send it out for repair.
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Author: MichaelR
Date: 2008-05-03 22:50
Mark Charette wrote:
> Except if they're lost or stolen or an unscrupulous employee
> makes a copy of the numbers. Your account can be drained with
> no recourse. With a credit card you're liable for a maximum of
> $50 (in the USA - I don't know about other country's rules).
Not so:
http://usa.visa.com/personal/security/visa_security_program/zero_liability.html
"The Zero Liability policy covers all Visa credit and debit card transactions processed over the Visa network—online or off. The only transactions not covered under the Zero Liability policy are commercial card, ATM, and non-Visa-branded PIN transactions."
--
Michael of Portland, OR
Be Appropriate and Follow Your Curiosity
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Author: myshineyblackjoy
Date: 2008-05-05 00:53
Hi everyone,I am a newbie here. Been readng posts for a couple months. You guys know soooooomuch I am learning more everyday. Just picked my instrument back up after a about five years in the closet. I have a pre e11 Wooden evette. Whith warm wonderful tones. So why did I have to buy that vito resotone my friend didn't want. Then somehow a Selmer followed me home. I find it fun to play a different instrument each day. But,My Evette is my baby. Well, till I find the perfect r13 to adopt. Please keep up the posts. They Cheer me and inspire me to higher notes and longer practices!!!! Thank you all!!!!!!!!
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