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Author: Chris P
Date: 2008-04-09 13:03
Could you please post photos of the lower end of the LH F/C lever where it passes under the Ab/Eb pad cup (from several angles) - and where the spring lug is located on the underside of the lower end of the LH F/C lever barrel.
And is the LH F/C lever mounted between point screws (I think it may be), or a single steel (as on a B&H 1010)?
Thanks in advance.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Tim P
Date: 2008-04-09 13:36
i'll get you some tomorrow. i am not in the habit of taken my clarinet to work. I'll take some tonight.
you might try Peter himself. he has always been responsive to my questions.
"saving the world, one beer at a time"
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2008-04-09 14:08
Reason being that I've been asked to make a LH Ab/Eb lever mounted on the same steel as the F/C lever for a Peter Eaton Elite (working in the same manner a flute trill key or oboe LH pinky cluster).
Although I'll be leaving the original F/C lever as it is (though replacing it with the double LH F/C-Ab/Eb key), I want to make the double key so it can be removed if needed (and the original put back) without changing the length of the existing F/C lever spring should it need to be reverted back to it's original form in the future for whatever reason.
And if the key shapes and key arms (such as the underside of the Ab/Eb cup arm) are pretty much the same as on B&H clarinets, then at least knowing all this will help.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Bob Phillips
Date: 2008-04-09 15:08
If I recall correctly, Peter told me that Eaton offer a LH Eb/Ab touchpiece.
Bob Phillips
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2008-04-09 15:24
This is the owner's reason for wanting a LH Ab/Eb key fitted:
"He [Peter Eaton] told me once that a REAL clarinettist does not need this key. He may be right, but there's something about my fingers which makes the right hand key inconvenient in many cases. Anyway, I reckon it should be my decision, not his. I need all the help I can get!"
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: cigleris
Date: 2008-04-09 17:08
Chris, if you want I could pop in to Howarths in the next couple of days and you can have a look at my Eaton Elites
Peter Cigleris
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2008-04-09 17:34
Peter, I don't want you to have a wasted journey as I don't work in the London shop - I'm down in Sussex.
Incidentally, the owner of this clarinet is coming down to see me tomorrow evening (from Reading), though I should have really requested to see pictures before now to see if the keywork in this area is similar to B&H.
Just another quick question, do Peter Eatons have the cross-hatched ('nail file') LH F/C touch?
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
Post Edited (2008-04-09 17:59)
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2008-04-09 18:32
Yes the left F/C key has the file texture.
The left hand F/C is mounted on point screws.
I'll try to post photos of what you asked later today.
Nitai
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2008-04-09 19:44
Thanks Nitai. I'm using original B&H LH F/C touchpieces (hence the cross-hatching query), but making and fitting the rest of it (key barrels, steel and linkage pieces) from scratch.
I'm doing it this way as that's what has been requested of me to do, and the least invasive way to fit a LH Ab/Eb with no alterations to the clarinet itself (apart from a piece of silencing material glued to the underside of the Ab/Eb cup arm - maybe a spring fitted in the upper LH F/C lever pillar, though it's not really necessary as the Ab/Eb has a fairly heavy gauge spring anyway) so it can be put back to how it was at any stage.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: stevesklar
Date: 2008-04-10 00:11
Chris,
I'll check and see if i have a bunch of pics from some overhaul of Eatons a couple years ago - an Elite and an International
Steve
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Author: stevesklar
Date: 2008-04-10 00:17
Chris I think it uses all rods and few pivot screws
http://www.clarinetperfection.com/galleryclar/EatonElite.htm
i'm looking for specific keywork pics too but those above may help
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2008-04-10 05:17
Attachment: EatonClar1.JPG (40k)
Attachment: EatonClar2.JPG (34k)
Attachment: EatonClar3.JPG (14k)
OK here are some pictures Chris. Sorry but my photography skill are... well these are the best I could do. Hope it helps.
Nitai
Edit: I had to upload the pictures on the other computer (this one can't read the camera) but on this computer they look too dark. If they look too dark try make the screen brighter.
Post Edited (2008-04-10 05:34)
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2008-04-10 07:21
Thanks you two!
The Ab/Eb cup arm has the small projection on th underside which I was hoping for judging by Nitai's photos, and Steve's shows the cross-hatched LH F/C touch which is pretty much identical to the B&H pieces.
http://www.clarinetperfection.com/galleryclar/Eaton/EatonElite08.jpg
http://www.clarinetperfection.com/galleryclar/Eaton/EatonElite04.jpg
Though Nitai's shows ther LH F/C lever spring is fairly short so there's plenty of room between it and the Ab/Eb cup arm, though on Steve's it appears to be pretty much under the Ab/Eb cup arm (it's showing up by bright spot on the F/C barrel, at the edge of the Ab/Eb bedplace). So there's some variability between them. I hope the one I'm dealing with is like Nitai's in that there's a fair distance (around 2mm at the most) between the spring lug and the cup arm.
http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/download.html/1,1391/EatonClar3.JPG
My mistake (see above photo) - that's the base of the RH F/C-Ab/Eb pillar showing through the gap under the LH F/C lever barrel - not the spring lug as the spring is on the wrong side! So I assume the spring lug is at the edge of the Ab/Eb bedplace just slightly under the Ab/Eb cup arm (as on Booseys). Not ideal for what I intend to do, but I'll find a way around it.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
Post Edited (2008-04-10 07:31)
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2008-04-10 08:23
"Where in Sussex?"
The famous South Coast seaside resort King George V is reputed to have uttered a mild obscenity (by today's standards) about on his deathbed, and there's a Butlins there. Though I was born and lived in Chichester (which is 5 miles down the road), but have moved around a lot over the years - though there seems to be an invisible force that pulls me back.
I've been to and through Heathfield a couple of times.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2008-04-10 08:44
Chris, looking from the same angle as in my third picture, the spring cradle (what you call lug?) is about 1 mm to the left of the G#/D# key arm (in the picture hiding behind the key cup). BTW the model in Steve's pictures is not the same as in mine though I am not sure what the differences the keys have.
Post Edited (2008-04-10 09:00)
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2008-04-10 09:14
I'll find out what this one is like in about 15 minutes as that's when they're coming round with it.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: stevesklar
Date: 2008-04-10 10:22
Keep us updated. FWIW I sent off a 8MB ZIP file of a bunch of pics of Eatons in various stages of disassembly to you. If it doesn't get there I guess it doesn't matter now !!
=-)
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2008-04-10 10:38
It's an International model (not an Elite as I assumed it may be), and the keywork is pretty much identical to a B&H, so that's good.
I'll be performing surgery on it soon.
Thanks again for all your help.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2008-04-13 21:51
I've just finished making, fitting and papering up all the bits (and chopping up the existing B&H touchpieces as needed), and it's off to the platers with them tomorrow.
Should be pretty good once it's all in place after I get it all back from the platers, and haven't made any alterations to the clarinet at all.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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