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Author: Ronish
Date: 2008-03-18 08:18
No not length but top size. I have bought a Selmer Bundy clarinet off eBay and while I`m satisfied with the purchase I`m not with the inner diam. of top of the barrel. This is where the mothpiece fits in. My Hite is perfect with my other clarinet but sloppy in the Bundy one. It`s not wear it just seems the whole diam is a 1/4 or 1/2 mm bigger. How can this be, surely all barrels and mouthpieces can/or should be universal when we are talking such minor variations. I`m using teflon plummers tape but its not durable. Do you reckon a wipe of epoxy inside the top of the barrel would stay in place
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2008-03-18 08:47
No, don't do that - use a strip of paper wrapped round the mouthpiece tenon instead of coating the socket with glue. It's a quick fix, but better in the long run.
I find my mouthpieces very loose on my plastic Yamaha in comparison to my Selmers and Leblanc, so I use a strip of paper to keep it snug.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Ryder
Date: 2008-03-18 14:11
Get your mouthpiece re-corked, or learn to do it yourself, like i do. I have the same problem with my clarinets. This happens because the cork is compressed over time when you have the mouthpiece in the clarinet you use most often. the inside diameter of each barrel is slightly off, thats why mouthpieces are corked on the clarinet.
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Author: BobD
Date: 2008-03-18 23:02
"surely all barrels and mouthpieces can/or should be universal" Not True
As above ...recork the mp larger to fit
Bob Draznik
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Author: Ronish
Date: 2008-03-19 04:28
Sorry but I`ve given up on the paper. Been using it and you have to just about tear off a bit and reposition everytime the mouthpiece goes in.
I have two clarinets that I play, and one good mouthpiece. The mouthpiece fits one clarinet but is sloppy in the other. So corkings not the answer since making it larger would mean it wouldn`t fit in one clarinet. And I mean would`nt fit because it`s a snug fit now.
Chris epoxy is not really a "glue"as it ends up with a hard glass like surface. At the moment I can`t see the problem with a thin wipe in the top of the offending barrel and allowing it to cure ,of course, before use.
Thanks all for your contributions.
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Author: skygardener
Date: 2008-03-19 05:53
I have used nail polish for this kind of job before. Maybe 5 layers or so- be sure to let it completely dry between applications.
Epoxy might work if you have a lathe and even it out after it cures.
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Author: packrat
Date: 2008-03-19 06:09
If you like your mouthpiece and want to use it on both clarinets why don't you use the barrel from your other clarinet on the Selmer or buy a barrel that will fit on both? When I play in orchestra I use one barrel on both my A and Bb horn. One clarinet's a Buffett and the other a LeBlanc and that works well. By changing moving the barrel with the mouthpiece still attached, I didn't have to worry about messing up my reed placement too. I realize that you won't be playing the clarinets at the save time, but the idea is still the same. I wouldn't use the epoxy either. I think I would get a barrel that would fit the mouthpiece and the larger bore Selmer. Then if it's too loose on your old horn, I'd recork the top joint to fit the new barrel.
I hope that's not too confusing. It's too late (or too early in the morning) to think clearly.
Becky
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2008-03-19 06:39
"Chris epoxy is not really a "glue"as it ends up with a hard glass like surface. At the moment I can`t see the problem with a thin wipe in the top of the offending barrel and allowing it to cure ,of course, before use."
I am aware of the properties and uses of epoxy, and I don't think it's use in this kind of application will work and you'll only be wasting your time trying. Even if you do get an even coating in the socket, you'll still have to be sure the walls are completely smooth and parallel, and there's no guarantee it'll remain on the socket walls if used only as a coating - once the top edge chips you can be certain the rest will only begin break away soon afterwards, and patching it up with more epoxy won't do much good.
A more extreme measure would be to have a socket graft which is having the existing socket opened up (and the barrel turned down where the socket ring was, the new insert will replace this and carry the socket ring) and a new socket fitted (and glued in with epoxy) - this will be hidden as the join is around the bottom edge of the socket, and under the socket ring at the top end. But this is expensive and not exactly cost effective on a clarinet of this quality, so sourcing a new barrel will probably be easier and cheaper.
I leave strips of paper in my Yamaha case so I can tear off a length when needed, I know you can only use the paper strips the once, but using paper strips is much easier (and easier to come by) than more elaborate means that perform the same function.
But this is only the case with the one clarinet - all my others have roughly the same barrel socket diameter so my regular mouthpiece is a good fit in them, and the few times I need a plastic clarinet I just accept the fact it's the way it is, and find the best and most immediate remedy for the case.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: BobD
Date: 2008-03-19 11:00
You only own one mouthpiece? Why not purchase another.
Bob Draznik
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Author: GBK
Date: 2008-03-19 12:01
DavidBlumberg wrote:
> Becky, not a good idea tuning wise. The A barrel is not the
> same internal dimensions as the Bb. Tuning will be better using
> an A barrel on your A clarinet.
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> The bells are the same so are interchangeable.
The R13 Bb bell is a different length than the R13 A bell.
An effect on the sound? Not so sure.
...GBK
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Author: DavidBlumberg
Date: 2008-03-19 12:26
Missed her writing that she had different Clarinet brands.
Backun bells are interchangeable on buffets. If the bell lengths are slightly different I doubt that it would have much effect on either pitch nor sound.
But the Barrel dimensions are quite different and shouldn't be mixed. Of course you can do what you want, but the tuning should be better with the proper barrel for the A/Bb
http://www.SkypeClarinetLessons.com
Post Edited (2008-03-19 13:15)
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Author: Ronish
Date: 2008-03-19 23:41
The barrels are incompatible. Apart from wide hole size variation the Selmer barel is 5mm longer than the other. I think I have three options.:
1) Buy another good mouthpiece and cork it fatter.
2) You can buy different size brass shim. Shim the mouthpiece end of the sloppy barrel. A tiny piece all the way around and held in place with a touch of contact adhesive.
3) Epoxy a wipe inside. This is what I have done. Smoothed it with emery and it works perfectly. If it lasts three moths fine I can replace it, if it does`nt last then I`ll go for 2).
Russ
Post Edited (2008-03-20 18:39)
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