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Author: Ashley91489
Date: 2008-03-01 14:09
I'm currently using a Rovner Light Ligature but I'd like to get a new one soon.
I'm looking at these two...
Rover Eddie Daniels
BG Super Revelation
How do they compare to each other and to the Rovner Light? Or, is there something better out there?
(Buffet R-13, Vandoren M-13 Mouthpiece, Rovner Light Lig, Mitchel Lurie 4 or Vandoren 3.5 reeds)
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Author: kilo
Date: 2008-03-01 14:16
What deficiencies with your Rovner are you trying to remedy? You can find all sorts of testimonials from other people as to what works for them — you need to find what will work for you. Every ligature has its advocates and its detractors as well.
edit: check out masonmjs's current ligature and mouthpiece thread.
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Author: Iceland clarinet
Date: 2008-03-01 16:00
I've tried many ligatures and of all of them Rovner is hands down the worst. It kills the overtones and overal resonance. But keep in mind "Bad ligature can ruin a good mouthpiece and good ligature can turn a good mouthpiece into a great one".
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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2008-03-01 16:48
I find it strange that Iceland finds the Rovner's so bad. Nothing can possibly be that bad that thousands of fine players use and love. It depends on the player, their equipment, style, taste etc. To say that they are the worst hands down is ridiculous, though they may very well be for him. I’m not fond of the Rovner light I much prefer the Eddie Daniels model, more focused and rich sounding for me. I used to use his “Dark” until he came out with the E.D. Gads, there are so many good ligatures on the market I suggest you try several and not listen to anyone’s testimonial about them because they are as personnel as mouthpieces and reeds. I play a Rovner on my clarinets, bass and Eb, our assistant plays a Rovner too on his clarinets and Eb, some on my students play a Rovner and I know dozens of players that play them. One of the great features about the E.D.Rovner model is that you can find the configuration that's best for you. You have about six configurations to try in one ligature. Try them and make up your own mind. Don’t take my word for it and certainly not Iceland’s. ESP
www.peabody.jhu.edu/457
ESP eddiesclarinet.com
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Author: C2thew
Date: 2008-03-01 17:45
there's a huge difference between rowvner's regular 1r model and the ed2 ligature. very different animals.
if you can't distinguish the subtleties from different ligs and you are happy with your rowvner, more power to you. but there is a reason for people hyping consistently certain products, they are effective. buffet is hyped as one of the top manufacturers in the world, and anyone who doesn't know a clarinet, has usually heard from a friend that buffet is the way to go.
but in response to the original thread, those two ligatures are excellent choices. if you can try before you buy, that'd be awesome. buf if you don't have that luxury, go with the flow.
Our inventions are wont to be pretty toys, which distract our attention from serious things. they are but improved means to an unimproved end, an end which was already but too easy to arrive as railroads lead to Boston to New York
-Walden; Henry Thoreau
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Author: donald
Date: 2008-03-01 19:13
I haven't used Rovner ligatures in performance for over a decade, but was for many years happy with them...
One thing i found was that they didn't work well with Zinner mouthpiece blanks that still had the concavity on the table... perhaps this is why Iceland finds them so terrible- if he is playing a Grabner mouthpiece from Zinner blank? I don't know if Mr Grabner flattens the table or leaves the Zinner concavity there... (it seems to me that in reccent years people have tried to alter the blank as little as possible)
but regardless, my reasons for not using one since 1995 were originally that i liked the "jump" in the sound from a ligature that held the reed more securely. By this i mean that all the overtones and vibrancy seemed to come instantly when i articulated- with the Rovner there seemed to be a time lag (i'm talking a fraction of a second).
Once you have got used to a change (ie new ligature), when you change back and try your old equipment it can seem horrible, even if you played it quite happily for several years.
think about the posting from Kilo- what deficiencies are you trying to remedy?
at any rate
i'd recommend the BG Super Revellation from the ligatures you suggest, but personally prefer the Vand Optimum with Parallel rails insert.
dn
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Author: feadog79
Date: 2008-03-01 19:14
I like the BG when playing cane reeds. As mentioned above by David Blumberg, the articulation is really good.
Sometimes I like to use legere quebec reeds, and the BG doesn't seem to work as well as a Rovner.
What works best depends on the rest of your setup.
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Author: William
Date: 2008-03-02 03:31
My ligs that I prefer: A & Bb soprano, Chicago Kaspar #14, Optimum (don't like the Rovners, sorry); Effer, Bay custom, Winslow; Bass, Winslow;
FWIW, I use original design Winslows (removable band) on all of my saxophones. John W considered these ligs to be superior to his newer ones which were actually designed for easier production (less piecies for him to manufacture in his basement), not necessarily better sound.
BTW, have you tried a Mitchelle Laurie??
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Author: BobD
Date: 2008-03-02 13:13
You don't know if you will like a lig until you play it for awhile; that's why we all have so many. And then there are those who started out with the old standard metal two screws and never felt the need to try any other. Half of all clarinetists use the metal 2 screw, half use the BGs and the remaining half use all the others. You say it doesn't make sense?
Bob Draznik
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Author: weberfan
Date: 2008-03-02 20:06
Ashley,
I, too, would suggest you revisit Kilo's question: what are you trying to remedy?
That said, I've been very pleased with the Vandoren leather ligature with the metal insert (I don't think the leather and suede inserts that also come with it are going to do much for me). I play a Vandoren M-13 Lyre mpc and V12 No. 3's. With mouthpiece and lig, the low tones are much richer and the high notes ring true.
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Author: Ashley91489
Date: 2008-03-02 20:12
My current Rovner seems to be 'wearing out' a bit so I'd like to invest in a new lig. I want something that helps achieve a very clear response but also retains a very focused and warm sound.
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Author: weberfan
Date: 2008-03-02 20:25
well, with your M13 mouthpiece and the leather ligature on an R13 you're likely to get what you're after. my teacher uses a Bonade metal lig, but he's been eager to try the Vandoren Optimum. he has a Behn mouthpiece that he says is roughly as close as the M13 but, he feels, gives a somewhat mellower sound. (He plays an R13, too.)
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Author: Roger Aldridge
Date: 2008-03-02 23:26
As I've mentioned on another ligature thread, I've become a big fan of the Vandoren Klassik string ligature. I've tired a lot of ligatures over the years and without any doubt the Klassik is my favorite. Frankly, when I first tried a Klassik I was surprised by it. I expected it to have a dampening effect on my sound. However, it turned out to be the reverse....my sound was bigger and had more projection. My misconception about string ligatures was destroyed. When I first used a Klassik in a performance my musician friends told me they could hear a difference in my sound. They all gave it a thumbs up.
Roger
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Author: Iceland clarinet
Date: 2008-03-03 01:19
Well the Vandoren klassik is really great ligature but if I'm not using reeds on the weaker side then the sound is preatty fluffy and it's specially difficult to focus the throat tones.
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2008-03-03 01:59
I've had lots o' good luck with the Rovner light..........a good ligature. I do, however prefer the Vandoren Leather with the metal plate as the one with the strongest sound and flexibility. After that one, the Eddie Daniels, then the Rovner light.
Can't go wrong with any of these.
.................Paul Aviles
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Author: Tilly
Date: 2008-03-03 05:01
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Peter Spriggs floating rail ligature.....my personal favourite.
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Author: Tobin
Date: 2008-03-03 11:27
I'm in complete agreement Tilly,
But there are two ligature threads going on, and I think the other one has mentioned (almost) every possible product.
James
Gnothi Seauton
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Author: Ryan25
Date: 2008-03-03 16:24
I'm surprised that there are 2 threads going on about ligatures instead of people spending their time practicing and making music.
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Author: Tobin
Date: 2008-03-03 18:20
C'mon Ryan,
What could you have REALLY accomplished during the time it took to add those thoughts?
James
Gnothi Seauton
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Author: Mags1957
Date: 2008-03-03 20:42
Another vote for the Vandoren Klassik. I've tried almost every ligature mentioned, and that is my favorite overall. Easy to get on/off, secure once it's on, nice, dark, round sound with plenty of projection. My second favorite is the Bay gold ligature. VERY delicate, but super articulating ligature - brighter than the klassik, projects well. For my setup, I find that the Rovner/Daniels type ligatures sound very good to me as I'm playing, but don't project as well. YMMV.
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Author: Dileep Gangolli
Date: 2008-03-03 22:46
Recipe for a great ligature:
Take one old dress shoe (preferrably black)
Remove old shoelace
Take shoelace and wrap around mouthpiece (preferably with good reed, if available)
Enjoy result but do not use if you change reeds often.
This 400 year old ligature is still the best, however unpractical.
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Author: Ken Mills
Date: 2008-03-03 23:15
On TV, if you look at the clarinet section in the symphony, they seem to be using something like a standard metal Selmer with two screws as BobD, above, describes it.
While the surface of the reed stock is curved, the Selmer ligature lies flat against it because the screws are mounted there over the reed. This makes the actual area of contact of the ligature with the reed quite small but quite firm.
Selmer mouthpieces come with a flat table, however. But I modified my Selmer CP100 to have a concave table. My satisfaction, as youall above, is rapid articulation as Stanley Drucker seems to use the same kind of ligature.
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