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Author: Ralph G
Date: 2002-11-07 16:18
The logo stamps on new horns really add a touch of elegance to the instrument's look. Too bad they fade over time. Is there any way to make them look bright and new again? The R13 in my care would look so much better with that little finishing touch.
Way back when, I tried using a gold crayon to fill in the engraving on my old Signet 100. It didn't look so hot. Luckily the crayon wiped right off the wood.
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Author: Ralph G
Date: 2002-11-07 16:36
I looked back a little further and found an old thread on it from August 2000, so never mind -- unless some new ideas have cropped up since then.
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Author: C@p
Date: 2002-11-07 19:16
Ralph
I am interested in what you found in your search. Could you either share it again or at least let me know what words you used for your search. I tried searching the word "logo" and find that I need to refine my search as many unrelated subjects come up.
Thanks
C@p
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Author: Bob
Date: 2002-11-09 14:12
I believe Ferree's repair book give instructions for this. My assessment of them was that it's a bit tricky as you might end up with gold in the grain......
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Author: JMcAulay
Date: 2002-11-09 23:24
Ralph: I know a technician who re-gilds impressions so that they look either new or better. If you are interested in having this done for you, email me and I will put you in touch with him.
Regards,
John
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Author: C2thew
Date: 2008-02-15 05:51
vytass krass has done some amazing work. he definitely knows his ins and outs of restoration.
Our inventions are wont to be pretty toys, which distract our attention from serious things. they are but improved means to an unimproved end, an end which was already but too easy to arrive as railroads lead to Boston to New York
-Walden; Henry Thoreau
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2008-02-15 09:33
The problem with Buffet logos is that they're stamped on fairly lightly, so once they wear out it's near impossible to redo them successfully unless you go over the logo with a sharp scriber, re-engraving it deeper into the wood so the gold paste/crayon will take.
The logo was stamped on with a heated roller and adhesive foil, and if you look closely at your Buffet logos you'll see the stamp has gone deeper into the wood at the left and right sides (to a depth which would be good if it was the same all over), but not so much in the centre where all the fancy stuff is (the lyre above the oval, the name in the middle and the BC below the oval).
On instruments where the logos have been stamped deeply or engraved (as in Selmers), it's much easier to redo and the result is much more successful - scrape the remaining gold from the logo with a sharp scriber, degrease it and then apply the gold paste or crayon, let it dry and clean it all up.
Good eyesight, a strong magnifying glass, a sharp tungsten carbide scriber, a steady hand and loads of patience is what you need.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Chris J
Date: 2008-02-15 10:47
This link goes to a video of the procedure
and this link for something to do it with
I used a gilt wax stick similar to the one in the link above. I did it to one of my Couesnon Monopole clarinets and the result was stunning. They have an intricate but deep stamp in wood that is very hard, so that although 40 years old, the stamp has crisp edges and the rest of the wood glassy. Rub it in and rub it off.
I also had a go with a Evette and Schaeffer logo. It looked better for having done it, but not as good a result at all as the Couesnon.
Chris
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2008-02-15 13:17
I found and bot a "Calligraphy" gold [felt] pen from Hobby Lobby and have used it a few times, but with only modest success, prob. for the reasons above. A good friend had his "special" 1930-40's Leblanc [pinch Bb mechs and more, as described by Debbi Reeves in recent ICA journals] overhauled by McGuire Band Insts., Tulsa, where Steve brought the logos back to new [or better] "life" . Beautiful, Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: Vytas
Date: 2008-02-16 01:48
Attachment: Crayon_logo.jpg (40k)
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IMO a video of the logo restoration procedure on Youtube is a guide on how NOT TO do/restore the logo. Why in the world someone wants to use a crayon? It's messy, it doesn't stick, it doesn't last and it looks ugly. Many pro repair shops use method but I find it amateurish and unacceptable. DIY kids stuff.
I personally use an old fashion factory method used by clarinet makers. The logo stamped on with a heated roller and adhesive foil is rather new invention.
Check a close-up pic of the logo done with a crayon in one of these shops and compare it with the properly restored logo on the Buffet R13 from the 50's
Vytas Krass
Clarinet Repair
Professional clarinet technician
Custom clarinet mouthpiece maker
Former professional clarinet player
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2008-02-16 09:36
I use gilt paste to redo logos http://www.tryrelics.co.uk/catalogue/K/06.
Chantilly is a good deep gold colour. On bassoons or heckelphones you can use a silver one, and silver also looks good on cocobolo instruments.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: stevesklar
Date: 2008-02-16 11:58
I think Vytas does a stunning job of logo restoration.
I use guilding cream - various colors for my restorations. It defnitely makes a difference from the crayon but you have to be more experienced - you can still easily make a mess.
Various logos have varying degrees of difficulties in restoration. As in the youtube video the Leblanc is fairly easy by comparison to a Buffet or the older E&S logos. And it definitely takes patience
Chris P - how many heckelphones do you restore ??
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Stephen Sklar
My YouTube Channel of Clarinet Information
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2008-02-16 12:26
"Chris P - how many heckelphones do you restore ??"
None as of yet, but it's always best to be prepared for the unlikely event.
I suppose it's a bit like preparing for a nuclear attack.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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