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Author: kenb
Date: 2007-12-24 05:35
Does anyone know whether the keywork of the current R13, specifically the ring keys, would fit the body of an r13 from the early eighties?
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2007-12-24 06:11
With a bit of tinkering they ought to fit.
I don't think the joint diameter has changed, so I'd assume it won't take too much work to get them to fit nicely.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: jbutler ★2017
Date: 2007-12-24 13:02
At one point there was change in the steel that holds the F# key. Buffet went to a smaller diameter steel, but I don't remember the exact serial number series that they switched. Otherwise, they should fit.
John
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2007-12-24 13:29
How many keys are you planning on replacing, Ken? Only asking as new replacement keys aren't exactly cheap, and finding donor R13s might not be easy (and could be just as worn out).
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
Post Edited (2007-12-24 13:35)
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Author: kenb
Date: 2007-12-24 18:41
Thanks for the replies. Chris, just the upper and lower ring keys - I thought of ordering them from Buffet.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2007-12-24 20:10
Have you considered building up the worn out areas of keywork by preparing and grafting (by hard soldering) bits of brass or (preferrably) nickel silver, filing and papering it all up smooth and then having them plated to hide the repairs?
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: kenb
Date: 2007-12-24 20:42
Chris, I hadn't considered the rebuilding option...
Thanks again
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Author: mk
Date: 2007-12-25 03:52
do not forget that your tone holes have most likely experienced some wear and tear. it might not have a good feel if keys are replaced
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Author: Gordon (NZ)
Date: 2007-12-25 12:49
They could be restored too, with grafting, or superglue and grenadilla powder.
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Author: Koo Young Chung
Date: 2007-12-25 18:51
Can you(or thru dealers) get a complete set of keys for R13 from Buffet company?
And if you can, how much?
I asked Buffet some questions before, using email,I got response from France,but I never got any reply from Jacksonville,FL.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2007-12-25 22:06
Koo Young Chung wrote:
> Can you(or thru dealers) get a complete set of keys for R13
> from Buffet company?
Replacement keys and parts are also available through Windcraft:
https://www.windcraft.co.uk/
Click on "woodwind spares"
...GBK
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Author: Fred
Date: 2007-12-26 17:30
Haven't the recent crop of nickel-plated keys been rather problematic: flaking, wearing, etc? Haven't heard about the silver-plated ones, but I'd be cautious about spending that much money on the nickel ones.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2007-12-26 17:53
Are the keys nickel or silver plated?
It depends on the preparation prior to plating and the thickness of the plating as to how well it lasts through use.
Nickel plate is normally applied only a few microns thick (less than 10 microns, maybe even less than 5 microns if used as an undercoat to silver plate), whereas silver is usually applied between 10 and 25 microns thick.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: EuGeneSee
Date: 2007-12-26 18:07
Chris, do they put the silver plate on the keys +/- twice as thick as the niclel because the softer silver wears faster?
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Author: crnichols
Date: 2007-12-26 19:15
That's a great link GBK. They have greenline barrels in 64 mm and 66 mm lengths.
Christopher Nichols, D.M.A.
Assistant Professor of Clarinet
University of Delaware
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2007-12-26 20:06
They apply nickel thinly as it blunts tools (barrel fraises, reamers and taps) when fitting the keys after they've been plated.
Though Buffet's platers do apply a certain amount of copper as well, though they can apply silver plate directly onto the base metal without a copper or nickel flash - nickel is a nice smooth surface (molecularly speaking) for silver to be plated onto.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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