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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2007-12-13 02:15
Hi Everyone,
I just acquired a Ridenour 147 of probably a more recent vintage and I am curious to know how different this model is from the current Lyrique. There has been some discussion scattered on the BB about this topic but I wanted to see if there has been any new intel on these clarinets.
The 147 I have is in a very nice buffet-style case, has the ergonomic register key, a solid looking crow's foot, but has the BE 10 MP. The intonation is exceptional with an accurate 12th and an unusually well-in-tune altissimo register. A nice clarinet all around.
However, if I decide to acquire a Lyrique down the road, what value-added features would I get?
Thanks,
HRL
Post Edited (2007-12-13 02:26)
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Author: BobD
Date: 2007-12-13 10:31
I have the same feeling for my T147 Hank and after many years of worrying about wood cracking am leaning more and more to non-wood clarinets (but not the Greenlines).
Bob Draznik
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Author: Synonymous Botch
Date: 2007-12-13 13:41
I own both a TR147 and an Arioso (just prior to the Lyrique model)....
they're VERY close in fit and finish.
I understand that the Lyrique can be hand tuned by TR his own self... which should be worth the bucks.
However, if you bought your TR147 for the same slim stack of bills as I, returns may diminish... the TR147 is good right out of the box.
Maybe the key plating or base polishing is better on the Lyrique?
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Author: feadog79
Date: 2007-12-13 13:46
I own a Lyrique, and my student an Arioso...it seems to me the keywork is of somewhat better quality on the Lyrique.
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Author: lj
Date: 2007-12-13 14:02
I have a Lyrique and an Arioso, and they're very similar. I agree with feadog79 that the keywork on the Lyrique seems a bit better. The RH pinky keys have a slightly different shape, with the Lyrique keys shaped with a slight curve underneath so that the keys are less crowded (sorry for the nontechnical explanation). The upper tone holes on the Lyrique are also shaped a little differently (with a wider, flatter edge), and the bottom of the bell on the Lyrique is also a little flatter--if the two bells are side by side, the metal ring on the Arioso sits a little higher.
Completely subjectively, I think the Lyrique sounds and feels better, but I'm very happy with them both. (Of course, that could be a mental self preservation technique since I paid four times as much for the Lyrique as for the used Arioso...)
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Author: rtmyth
Date: 2007-12-13 15:40
I have several TR147s and Ariosos. Acoustically, I detect no difference. Reviews of Lyrique seem to claim no acoustic difference either. My TR147 with side-by-side trill keys was not quite as good acoustically or mechanically. My Concertos were not quite as good in intonation, but more refined keywork and more pleasing, to me, in timbre in the low range, but not in the upper. For value, the Ridenours are superb.
richard smith
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2007-12-13 16:58
Thanks a lot. Just the input I needed.
I have cork pads in the UJ which I prefer but I've seen some 147s with bladder pads. I wonder if that's typical of any vintage 147?
Post Edited (2007-12-13 20:26)
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Author: rtmyth
Date: 2007-12-13 19:05
The original pads were synthetic, Valentino I believe, in the upper section. I have replaced all pads with cross-cut cork and white kid leather. These clarinets are a good example of what a good factory product can become in the hands of a master , such as Tom Ridenour and the late Hans Moenig.
richard smith
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