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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2007-12-10 13:09
Right now it's the Vandoren M13. Simply great. And you can't beat the price.
............Paul Aviles
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Author: stevesklar
Date: 2007-12-10 13:16
Paul,
I'm actually trying to get an M13 right now - non retail.
Why do you prefer the M13?
I read the Vandoren info and it "seems" to be what I'm looking for.
"Offers many of the characteristics of older American mouthpieces which are so widely sought after. The M13 permits easy blowing with harder reeds and produces a rich, dark, centered sound. Response is particularly sensitive"
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Stephen Sklar
My YouTube Channel of Clarinet Information
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Author: claritoot26
Date: 2007-12-10 13:38
I also like the M-13, but slightly preferred the M13 lyre, which is a little bit more closed I think. Right now I use a Gennusa Excellente which I've had for about 7-8 months, and it's my fave. But of course, one size doesn't fit all. We can't recommend one for estclar82. Just try a bunch and have a good teacher help you out. Some prefer closed, short facing. Others prefer open, long facing. Others are somewhere in the middle. The three pieces I mentioned above fall in the medium-closed, medium-long facing category.
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Author: stevesklar
Date: 2007-12-10 14:04
the M13 Lyre is a little more open per Vandoren website info. I have one and it plays nicely.
Vandy info on M13 Lyre - "A little more open than the M13 mouthpiece, it permits easy blowing with harder reeds and produces a rich and centered sound. The M13 Lyre is recommended for symphonic and chamber music"
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Author: rtmyth
Date: 2007-12-10 16:27
I recomend trying at least 3 at a time but first check for symmetry, width of rails and tip. Check facing, using Morgan or other tools. I have found considerable variation in all of above parameters. Try before buy.
richard smith
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Author: Cass Tech
Date: 2007-12-10 16:52
estclar82:
In addition to VanDoren (which certainly has the price advantage), there are at least a dozen mouthpiece craftsmen who, on the basis of the opinions of this website's participants (check out the other threads on mouthpieces) are currently making world-class products. Among them are Walter Grabner, Richard Hawkins, Gregory Smith, Clark Fobes, Ben Redwine, Bradford Behn, etc. The current era could very well be a renaissance in clarinet technology. I use Walter Grabner's AW, and it's lightyears ahead of my old Kasper 13.
Cass Tech (aka leatherlip)
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2007-12-11 13:48
Dear Steve,
The M13 grew on me in a roundabout way. I had first been enticed to the modern Vandorens through a friend's 5RV Lyre. I found this very responsive and just as good if not better than some of those made by "world class craftsmen." Then I tried an M15 which has a longer lay and tip that is a bit more closed. This one was also much better than I would have thought and I used this concurrently with a Greg Smith, Genusa Excellent and Pomerico wood mouthpiece. Eventually I wanted a mouthpiece with a bit more of an openning to produce a little more "oomph" but still featuring the longer lay of the M15. After trying three different M13 (non LYRE), I found one in particular (though all three play well) that suits my embouchure ideally.
Truly one could spend $250 on a mouthpiece and NOT find one better!!
...........Paul Aviles
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Author: estclar82
Date: 2007-12-12 09:21
Cass Tech-
i use 45 lyre, try 40 and use Zinnner 4 (french cut).
Whichone i prefer? With Optimum i prefer 45 lyre, best, better than 40. If I put Zinner with Vandoren Classic ligature, is the best result.
Actually, I don't like Vandoren so much, specially these M series. Strange. I use after these, B 45, quite good. But now is time, I want to get some better.
I watch from internet Gregory Smith, too expensive. These are made in USA, and I live in Estonia, if it ise possible to orden from Europe, then yes.
I'm interested in Walter Gabner ( I know Kjell Inge Stevensson ise useing it and Kirov Theatre soloist), one nedelender mounthpiece was more, i can't remember it and Richard Hawkins, intseresting. But i'm not sure are these order in Europe. I want to try these and have to own. I think even they are in America, I buy, specially R. H.
I watched in Finish instrument store, they have Bomarico, VAndoren and Zinner. No more.
I tried Wurlitzer with Buffet, quite good.
Now i want to try other best.
All the best,
Taavi Reimets
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Author: Roger Aldridge
Date: 2007-12-12 13:06
Cass spoke my mind. Of the mouthpiece designers listed, I'm most familiar (ie, playing experience) with Walter Grabner and Gregory Smith. Fantastic mouthpieces! One of the benefits with using a hand-crafted mouthpiece made by a living craftsman is you can talk with him about your tonal conception, your particular clarinet, etc then you can have a mouthpiece made that fits your playing in a remarkable way. In a similar manner, if the mouthpiece is close but not completely what you're looking for it can be sent back for some adjustments. I'm deeply impressed with the mouthpieces that Walter Grabner has made for me. They are a perfect match for what I want in my playing. Truly, they are worth every penny. I only wish that I could have had them YEARS ago! ha ha ha
The Grabner pieces I use are K14 and K11 on soprano clarinet and LB on bass clarinet. I have a K11e on order.
Roger
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Author: Cass Tech
Date: 2007-12-12 14:26
Taavi Reimets:
If you want details on Walter Grabner, try www.ClarinetXpress.com website. A warm welcome to the clarinetists of Estonia!
Cass Tech (aka leatherlip)
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Author: Ryan25
Date: 2007-12-12 14:45
Paul wrote:
"Eventually I wanted a mouthpiece with a bit more of an openning to produce a little more "oomph" but still featuring the longer lay of the M15. After trying three different M13 (non LYRE), I found one in particular (though all three play well) that suits my embouchure ideally."
This is confusing. The M15 has a larger tip opening than the M13 while both have a long lay. The M15 is around 103.5 and the M13 is around 1.00. The M13 Lyre is right around 102 but has a medium lay. So you actually went to a mouthpiece with a more closed tip.
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Author: JJAlbrecht
Date: 2007-12-12 14:56
While it is still a distance from Estonia, Howarth's in London also sells a great selection of mouthpieces, which might be easier to obtain than getting them directly from the United States.
Jeff
“Everyone discovers their own way of destroying themselves, and some people choose the clarinet.” Kalman Opperman, 1919-2010
"A drummer is a musician's best friend."
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Author: armadillo
Date: 2007-12-12 20:18
M30 (with V12 #3)
I tried about 8 of these before choosing my current one, which was definitely a cut above the rest.
buffet R13, VD M30, V12 #3, VD Klassik (perf. & reh)/Rovner leather(practice)
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Author: haberc
Date: 2007-12-13 01:17
Don't forget the Internet buy/sell sites. I have an Otto Link tone edge 3* that is magnificent for me.
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2007-12-13 02:24
I too am trying to get an M13 mouthpiece. I have to play outdoors in freezing col weather and REALLY worry about my Richard Hawkins in that weather . . . !!!
Alexi <- who likes the Vandoren M-series mouthpeices.
US Army Japan Band
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Author: estclar82
Date: 2007-12-13 05:54
Yes, tomorrow I have to play outdoor and I use M 30 too there. Thank you for advise.
Yes, London is possible. My friends are going there often. So, it is possible.
M 13 I don't suit.
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Author: Iceland clarinet
Date: 2007-12-14 00:13
sfalexi wrote:
"I too am trying to get an M13 mouthpiece. I have to play outdoors in freezing col weather and REALLY worry about my Richard Hawkins in that weather . . . !!!"
I've used my Grabner mouthpieces many times in -8 to -12°C withouth any problems. But much more than -8°C is very difficult because the keys on the tube are always stuck so we have to go inside after each song. So -8°C is basicly our limit.
My question is what are you afraid about that could happen to your mouthpiece?
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2007-12-14 00:43
Dear Ryan,
I can vouch for neither the printed dimensions nor the actual dimensions of MY mouthpieces (I don't fret over details thank goodness!) but I can tell you that with the same reed the M13 doesn't close up as fast, it plays louder and is more flexible. To me that means it's more open.
Now, I have only one M15, but have played a number of M13 (non Lyres) and can vouch for Vandorens consistency in production. I only ASSUME at this point that the M15s will all play similarly to the one I have.
Feel free to read this as an apology or a disclaimer.
...........Paul Aviles
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Author: Aequore
Date: 2007-12-14 08:00
ughh, no offense but vandoren mouthpieces are just for amateurs! ![[grin]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie5.gif)
Im sticking with the Kaspars, Selmer HS* OR HS**
and one of my most recent and best, ''Alexandre'' refaced by Chris Hill.
These mouthpieces are best for classical use
Post Edited (2007-12-14 08:03)
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