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Author: bwilber
Date: 2007-11-11 18:48
Hi Everyone. Just wondering. On Ebay, I see so many clarinets advertised as Noblet 45's and when I email them to ask if they can see a #45 on them, they almost always say no but because it's got an diamond shape for the logo or a N or Artist, then Leblanc says it's a 45. I have looked on the Bboard and what I have gathered is that Leblanc had a #45 and then later called the same clarinet the Artist, or is it the other way around? Can somebody give me the straight skinny? Thanks
Bonnie Wilber
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Author: stevesklar
Date: 2007-11-12 07:56
if it has the diamond emblem then it is a 45
in the mid 80s they were also known as "artist" model - i have a mid 80s catalog - there may be other times too. But the diamond emblem is always there
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Author: bwilber
Date: 2007-11-12 09:33
Do you know the difference in models, which are professional and which are intermediate, the different emblems and what they indicate? Thanks.
Bonnie Wilber
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Author: stevensfo
Date: 2007-11-12 09:42
I bought a Noblet 45 about 3 years ago and asked much the same question. Someone was kind enough to post this:
Leblanc Vito - Beginner plastic
Leblanc Normandy - Step up from Vito, currently wood but the older ones are plastic and were beginner horns. Leblanc switched them to wood and made them a step up instrument when they introduced the Vito.
Leblanc Noblet 40 (oval emblem) - lower intermediate, comparable to Buffet E-11
Leblanc Noblet 45 (diamond emblem)- upper intermediate, comparable to Buffet E-13
Leblanc Esprit and Leblanc Sonata - step up between intermediate and pro grade instruments
Leblanc Infinite - pro grade, comparable to Buffet R-13
Leblanc Concerto - a notch above a "standard" pro grade
Leblanc Opus - premium pro grade with extra keys.
There's also a table of serial numbers and dates somewhere.
Steve
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Author: bwilber
Date: 2007-11-12 12:05
Thanks Steve. Did you see the Artist model anywhere in that list and if it's an intermediate or what? Thanks again.
Bonnie Wilber
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Author: stevesklar
Date: 2007-11-12 13:05
All the Noblets are considered intermediate
The 45s (artist or not) wil have a diamond emblem - except excluding more recent ones since they went to that weird emblem.
Noblet has been part of Leblanc for a very long time. They have been positioned below the Leblanc "professional" clarinets
That above list came from Gandalfe but the Normandys were not "part" of leblanc until 1978 and they maintained their own line of clarinets until that time. The "oval" emblem 40 is an early emblem, they used a rounded off square since the 60s ?
Interestingly enough, in 1983 Noblet had the 40, 45 and a 145 ?? I've never come across a 145 but I think it was the 45 with silver plating.
those auction sites-wise the 45 have sold for $150ish last time i checked
here's a couple emblems
http://www.clarinetperfection.com/snclarinet.htm#EmblemNoblet
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Author: bwilber
Date: 2007-11-12 13:57
Thanks Steve for all the information. It helps me a lot.
Bonnie Wilber
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Author: stevensfo
Date: 2007-11-12 14:17
I just found this...copy/paste:
"According to LeBlanc (the parent company of Noblet) I believe the Noblet "Artist"
model was listed as model 145; sort of a notch above the very high-quality model 45
(the one with the famous diamond-shaped logo; the "Artist" model had the word
"Artist" engraved above the diamond-shaped logo at the top of the upper joint)
The model 45 had simply the diamond-shaped logo with the word "Noblet" engraved
inside it. There was a model 40 Noblet that was below the model 45; and at one
time in the past there was even a model 41 which was quite highly regarded and
also a model 27."
Steve
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Author: susieray
Date: 2007-11-12 16:09
Attachment: noblet ad (2).jpg (207k)
I've had a couple of Noblet 145 models, and they are not just a fancy 45, they also had a smaller bore. Both the 45 and the 145 had the same diamond shaped logo but the 145 had the number 145 stamped on it also.
I've seen the 45 both with and without the "artist" name stamped above the logo....
I'm attaching a Noblet ad from around 1990 which describes the Noblet 145 "Grand Artist" which had the both diamond and the 145 stamped on it, but not the actual word "Artist"
Post Edited (2007-11-12 16:19)
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