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Author: Tim2
Date: 2007-09-16 02:26
In the first etude of the Miluccio 8 Grande etudes are low D#'s in repeated arpegios. There are probably other instances of D# in other clarinet pieces. Does the composer think there will be an extension in the clarinet range someday? I just play the D# an octave up. I would like to know if there is a different solution I should be striving for in this situation. I am not going to transpose the whole etude for A clarinet. All the other notes would change. Thanks.
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Author: Tom Piercy
Date: 2007-09-16 03:08
Giacomo Miluccio (b. 1928) is Italian and composed these etudes at a time when most Italian clarinets had a Low Eb / D#, therefore the etudes use that note.
If your horn doesn't have a Low Eb / D#, which most horns don't (unless you have a full-Boehm system which has the Low Eb / D#), then you can't play the note.
Some choices of what to do:
You could play the Eb / D# an octave above;
replace the Eb / D# by repeating the note before;
replace the Eb / D# by playing the note following the Eb/D# twice;
leave the Eb / D# out and use that moment to take a breath.
Tom Piercy
Post Edited (2007-09-16 14:09)
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Author: Bob Phillips
Date: 2007-09-16 22:17
could this be a result of transposing the original for Clarinet in A to a Bb instrument?
Bob Phillips
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Author: Tom Piercy
Date: 2007-09-16 22:34
I doubt it. The Bb clarinets that Miluccio would be familiar with would have had a low Eb.
Tom Piercy
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Author: Tim2
Date: 2007-09-17 01:28
Thanks, Tom. I know bass clarinets can be made to go to low Eb or even C, but I never paid attention the soprano clarinets can be made with the Eb extension. Thanks for pointing out some options other than buying a new clarinet. Full Boehm, I'll keep that in mind.
One more question, if I may.
In those six measures that use the low D# and a few measures after, there are some finger busting mechanics that are bad, not doable on my horn. Do they become more doable on a clarinet with the Eb extension?
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2007-09-17 04:40
Somewhere on the Board (or perhaps the Klarinet Archives) there is a thread that notes that for many years into the 20th century, Italian clarinetists did not use A clarinets at all. Rather, they played everything of Bbs that had a range to low Eb (I don't know whether the instruments were "full" Boehms or not), transposing A clarinet parts.
Best regards,
jnk
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Author: Philip Caron
Date: 2007-10-22 01:34
FWIW, here's what I do, starting at the poco meno:
1st two bars: play second groups up a third.
2nd two bars: replace D# with G-natural
3rd two bars: replace D# with F#.
To me these seem slightly more in the character of this passage than playing the d#'s up an octave. However, I don't like this etude's crabby harmonies in the first place, and rarely play this for that reason. Same with #7.
Anyone know which side of the instrument that D# key was on, or was there one on each side? If there was only one key, then this passage, which repeatedly inserts that note between C# and G#, would be, ah, problematic. As the next line does the same with low E and then low E#, requiring mid-note side switches, I'm guessing the D# bars were intended similarly, indicating keys for both hands.
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Author: Alexis
Date: 2007-10-22 09:15
There are similar things in the D'Elia studies
There are instructions in there which are directly aimed at full-boehm players.
Personally, I don't see much point in getting a full-boehm...
unless you like transposing
Post Edited (2007-10-22 09:16)
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Author: nahoj
Date: 2007-10-23 19:10
Philip,
I have a full boehm. There is more to it than just the extra low Eb (only with right pink): there is also an alternate left pink G#, a right middle finger C# (similar to the std right ring finger B 'key') and better tuned forked Eb.
All that should make the passage you describe playable.
Seehttp://www.johnkilpatrick.co.uk/instruments/ACL615/index.htm for an example of the Amati full boehm and a link to a detailed comparison.
Post Edited (2007-10-23 19:11)
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Author: Tim2
Date: 2007-11-09 01:54
Had not thought about it but is Mr. Miluccio still alive? He was born in 1928.
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Author: barungi
Date: 2007-12-28 06:02
No!
The M ° Miluccio died in Naples in 1999.
See: Adriano Amore, La Scuola Clarinettistica Italiana: Virtuosi e Didatti, Frasso Telesino, 2006, p. 54
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