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Author: nes
Date: 2007-08-28 12:03
Hey.. Firstly, does the brand of barrel make much of a difference? I am considering buying a matching barrel to my mouthpiece (Greg Smith). I know there are many different brands.
Secondly, I am always pulling out a few mm after fully warmed up, so I am considering buying a 68mm barrel, or getting one made for me. My friend said buying a 67mm mightg be a beter idea. i pull out between 2-4 mm after fully warmed up.
What do you guys think? Thanks
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Author: skygardener
Date: 2007-08-28 12:28
Barrels have been talked about so much. check the 'search' function. Shape, size, color, material, and the sexual orientation of the barrel have been gone over.
Post Edited (2007-08-28 12:30)
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Author: Tobin
Date: 2007-08-28 12:30
It would help for everyone to know what your setup is...what kind of clarinet, for they all have different general pitch tendencies.
Have you already "searched" the website? There has been a barrel thread every week for the last month(s) at least.
Does the brand of car someone drives make a difference? Does the brand of shoe you wear? Yes...generally speaking.
Also...are you sharper in the clarion register than the chalumeau? If so, you need a "reverse taper" or inverted cone barrel (Moenigg, Chadash, etc...) almost everyone offers them.
In the specific case of owning a Smith...he will match your mouthpiece to a Chadash barrel if you contact him.
James
Gnothi Seauton
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2007-08-28 12:44
Sky said<< Shape, size, color, material, and the ++sexual orientation ++of the barrel have been gone over.>> emphasis mine
OK, now you know (it was bound to come "out" eventually).
The way barrels are made is...you get a male and female barrel and wait for the spark to fly. ![[hot]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/hot.gif)
As for the others..."dont ask, dont tell."
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2007-08-28 12:55
Dear nes,
What clarinet do you use that actually plays HIGH with a Greg Smith? Whatever it, I want one!!!
...........Paul Aviles
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Author: skygardener
Date: 2007-08-28 14:11
Allan,
I think the 'sex' and the 'sexual orientation' of the barrel are 2 different things, entierly. It should be noted that, technically speaking, the barrel recieves the mouthpiece and upperjoint- so it is 'double female', the upper joint is 'double male' and the bottom joint is female at the top and male at the bottom.
But you make barrels so you probably know about their 'tendencies' more than I.
Post Edited (2007-08-28 15:06)
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2007-08-28 15:33
they are unique critters.
One redecorated the lathe with austrian drapes.
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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Author: C2thew
Date: 2007-08-28 15:39
keep in mind that it's easier to pull out a barrel rather then to have a barrel that is too long and having to lip up the pitch. make sure that the barrel you choose is a good length, otherwise you'll be back searching for a 1mm shorter or have to get the barrel reamed.
Our inventions are wont to be pretty toys, which distract our attention from serious things. they are but improved means to an unimproved end, an end which was already but too easy to arrive as railroads lead to Boston to New York
-Walden; Henry Thoreau
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Author: Gregory Smith ★2017
Date: 2007-08-28 20:19
To clarify:
My mouthpieces are designed to play at A = 440.
One can and should have a 1mm shorter barrel than the regular length barrel provided with the instrument in order to play at A = 442. This is what I do in the CSO in order to start at A = 442 . In fact not long ago Buffet redesigned their pochette double cases to make room for 4 barrels - 2 for each instrument.
The alternative is to shorten the mouthpiece by 1mm if one is regularly going to tune to A = 442. I've done this many times for my clients with excellent results.
If tuning *ratios* are an issue with differing mouthpiece/barrel combinations, that's quite a complex subject deserving of a much more in-depth discussion...even perhaps it's own thread.
Gregory Smith
http://www.gregory-smith.com
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Author: Iceland clarinet
Date: 2007-08-28 22:10
Gregory since we use 442 pitch here in Iceland I know this tuning issue a bit. The most common clarinet in use by college students and amateurs are Buffet R-13 but professionals are using among others Tosca,RC,Festival and even Selmer Signature. Also most College students and professionals use Walter Grabner mouthpieces praticulary kaspar 14 and 13. They are designed to play at 440. For me playing Festival Bb and R-13 Prestige A clarinets I have no problems tune to 442 with 550mm barrel and I even have to pull it out by 0.5mm. On my R-13 prestige A clarinet I use 640mm barrel and 625mm if I need to tune cold instrument. I have never had any problems tuning until I was in UK last month and had to use 660 mm barrel on my Bb Festival and pull it out by 2mm,the middel section by 0.5-1mm and also the bell to tune to 440 with my Grabner kaspar 14 mouthpiece(tuned to 440). My teacher has also never had any problem tuning on his Tosca clarinets with 660 and 650 mm barrels also using Grabner Kaspar 14 and 13 mouthpieces. My point is that swabbing barrels is all that I need to do playing on 440 pitched mouthpieces. And for me it's best to have two barrels each 0.5-1mm too short which helps alot in this matter. I have also seen on the Eaton clarinet homepage that he tunes his clarinets with the barrel pulled out by 1mm.
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Author: nes
Date: 2007-08-29 05:17
I know you are supposed to play at A=440 with a Greg Smith, but I have to pull out anywhere between 2-4 mm to get intune on my Bb, on my A I pull out between 1-3mm.
I have the standard R13 Bb and A with Greg Smith mp.
If I get a 68 mm then if im too flat i go back to my 66mm, and that way I wont be pulling out much, if at all.
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2007-08-29 11:08
Dear nes and Greg,
Gee I hope my earlier post did not come off as a criticism. I have, however, found the particular Greg Smith cocobolo Kasper to have an exceptionally large baffel and a consequently lower pitch than any of my other mouthpieces.
When using this mouthpiece with the R13, my 66mm was firmly planted on the upper joint. Now I am using the shortest available barrel with my Yamaha CSGs (53.8 I think) and 441 is just about as high as I can go.
I just wish I had more wiggle room on pitch for those cold days.......and those "higher" ensembles.
............Paul Aviles
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Author: Gregory Smith ★2017
Date: 2007-08-29 16:20
nes -
A few questions:
Have you tried your mouthpiece with the 66mm barrel on different clarinets?
Which clarinet and barrel (brand and style) are you presently playing?
Also, is it possible that the mouthpiece has already been shortened?
Gregory Smith
http://www.gregory-smith.com
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Author: nes
Date: 2007-08-30 08:23
nes wrote:
> I have the standard R13 Bb and A with Greg Smith mp.
If I get a 68 mm then if im too flat i go back to my 66mm, and that way I wont be pulling out much, if at all.
>
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2007-08-30 12:54
nes, when you are sharp, is it uniform in all registers and notes?
i.e. is the instrument in tune with itself?
If you are sharp in only a specific region, the internal contour of the barrel can make a difference. Likewise, choice of register tube dimensions and placement also effects this function, as do the resonance tone holes (open holes below the covered ones).
disclaimer....I make and sell barrels, reaping enormous profits, and soon to be the biggest IPO ever seen on Wall Street ....got to go, my Ferarri is ready.
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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Author: nes
Date: 2007-08-30 14:49
nah i can keep the instruemnt intune with itself. i think generally sharp. tho the throat tones Eb-Bb are always really flat
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2007-08-30 15:07
Dear NES,
Sounds like you are actually closer to being in tune than you think....maybe.
Since the throat notes won't move up, and as you have found, tend low anyway, you should tune yourself on the first space "F" or open "G." The other notes especially those in the upper clarion ("B" and "C" particularly) then really need to be voiced down.....also a function of using the upper lip more consciously.
Hope this helps.
...............Paul Aviles
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