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 Figure out model # from serial #? Buffet, Leblanc "Regency," Yamaha "Allegro"
Author: KJSatz 
Date:   2007-08-18 20:44

Well my first woodwind experience was a clarinet, Yamaha's cheapest model. Alto sax is nice, but I've been getting more and more into clarinet. However, my old plastic model seems to be holding me back to a degree, so I've decided to get a nice(ish) wooden clarinet.

I went to a local music store to look at some, and they (to my surprise) let me play some clarinets. I wrote down the serial numbers so they could look them up in their database, but they wouldn't/couldn't give me the model numbers. I'd like the model numbers so I can read reviews about them and compare them to other clarinetists' I know.

This is all of the information I found. Does anyone know how to figure out the model? If anyone has some general advice, I'd appreciate that too .

Buffet "Professional Clarinet" - $2899 - 566617
Buffet "Clarinet" (a rental return) - $594 - 921783 [I think this was an error, but the S# is right]
LeBlanc "Regency Step-Up" - $1479 - D54758
LeBlanc "Regency Vito student" - $735 - A18089 [I think there was an error, but the S# is right]
Yamaha "Allegro Wood" - $1499 - 103557

That's as descriptive as it got. My favorite was probably the first LeBlanc, even over the Buffet.

Any assistance?

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 Re: Figure out model # from serial #? Buffet, Leblanc
Author: JJAlbrecht 
Date:   2007-08-18 23:22

Brand : Buffet Crampon
Instrument : BC1131-5
Serial number : 566617
Year of manufacturing : 12/12/2006

From the model number, it appears to be an R13 model, I'm not sure exactly what the 5 at the enc designates, though. I think there is another, recent thread in the board that gives out Buffet's codes in the model numbers.

OK.... I looked it up: http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=1&i=252695&t=252695#reply_252695

Thanks to Jack Kissinger for all the info. If I am not mistaken, the 5 designates a Nickel plated set of keys, anda 2 would be silver plated keys.

Jeff

“Everyone discovers their own way of destroying themselves, and some people choose the clarinet.” Kalman Opperman, 1919-2010

"A drummer is a musician's best friend."


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 Re: Figure out model # from serial #? Buffet, Leblanc
Author: KJSatz 
Date:   2007-08-19 03:42

Aye, I was pretty sure the $2900 Buffet was an R13. I was most curious about the Yamaha and Leblanc, but based on their websites (which I should have checked before), the Yamaha Allegro is discontinued and designed to be an "intermediate" clarinet, and the Leblanc Regency...isn't anywhere to be found.

Generally, I'm looking for something in between the "step-up intermediate" clarinet and the "full-on professional" clarinet (like the R13). I think I want to get a new one, but I'm open to persuasion. Any suggestions?

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 Re: Figure out model # from serial #? Buffet, Leblanc
Author: Jack Kissinger 
Date:   2007-08-19 04:03

I agree with Jeff in his identification.

In my experience, you will probably find more information by model name than number.

As Jeff said, Buffet 566617 is an R13, made in December, 2006. If it is new, the price is $300+ higher than the Woodwind and Brasswind (WW&BW) listed price. If it is used, it is overpriced, IMO.

From what you said, I'm assuming that all the clarinets you looked at are wood (or, at least, you think they are). In that case, Buffet 921783 is most likely an E11. Buffet's newer plastic student models have a matte finish to make them look like wood. If the clarinet you looked at is plastic, it will be either a B10 or B12. (I think the serial number is in range for any of these three models but do not have a serial number list to date the instrument. The model number (E11, B10, B12) should be stamped on the upper joint below the Buffet logo.) If the clarinet is a wooden E11, the price isn't bad. If it's a plastic B12, it's higher than the WW&BW listed price for a brand new one. Buffet considers all three of these models to be student models. The plastic would not be a step up from your Yamaha and, arguably, the E11 would be a small step.

I can't tell you anything about the Leblancs. I've never heard of the "Regency" (but I'm not a Leblanc sort of guy. :) ). Because of the Vito designation for one of the two you looked at, I expect it is made in the USA, rather than France. I found a few references to a Leblanc "Regency" model in a Google search but little information. I could not find the model at the Leblanc website, WW&BW or eBay (active or completed auctions) so it's possible that it may have been discontinued, or might be a special branding for a particular music store.. I just don't know. If the "Regency Step-Up" is plastic, it may be similar to the earlier Vito V40, a good plastic instrument (or it may not). However, if that's what it is, $1,489 is way overpriced. (You can find V40s on eBay for under $100, though they might need some pad and/or cork work.) There are, AFAIK, no public serial number lists to give any further information about these models, though you already have their names. Perhaps one of the teachers or repair techs will be able to tell you more about the model. The " Vito Regency" is very likely plastic. FYI, I think someone who didn't have much experience with various materials might easily mistake a V40 for wood. Not only does it look a bit like wood, it has thicker walls than most plastic clarinets (or, at least, feels like it does to me).

The model number for the current Yamaha Allegro is the YCL-550AL. Yamaha describes this on their website as a step-up (high-end) intermediate model. It is still on their "active" list for the US. However, you should look carefully at what the store has because it could be an older YCL-450AL. IMO, if the one you looked at is the 550, other than the Buffet R13, it is probably the highest-end clarinet you tried. WW&BW doesn't show it in their most recent catalog. They do carry the YCL-450 (one step below) for $1095. Surprisingly, they show the YCL-650, an entry level professional instrument comparable, IMO, to the R13, for $1345 (new!) so again be aware that your store is not a low-cost provider. The 650 is probably the best value for your dollar if you buy a new clarinet -- and, of course, if you like the way it plays. On eBay, a few 550ALs have been listed recently. In very good condition, from a seller with a lot of positive feedback, $300-$500 would appear to be the going price.

Best regards,
jnk



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 Re: Figure out model # from serial #? Buffet, Leblanc
Author: KJSatz 
Date:   2007-08-19 05:18

Wow, thanks for that reply!

I know the store's prices are too high. I bet I'll buy online at wwbw or music123 or something. But I dunno.

I "think" they were all wood, but I haven't ever really used a wooden clarinet, so I wouldn't be able to pick one out (compared to a "lookalike plastic" clarinet). Some of they may have been plastic.

My gut tells me that the Yamaha Allegro I used was Yamaha's lowest end wooden clarinet.

I've been looking online at "entry level professional" Leblancs (based on how much I liked the $1479 "Regency"), and I'm checking out this...

Leblanc L1020 Sonata
http://www.wwbw.com/Leblanc-L1020-Sonata-Bb-Clarinet-i54086.music

Also a couple from Yamaha (including the one you mentioned)...

Yamaha YCL-650
http://www.wwbw.com/Yamaha-YCL-650-Bb-Clarinet-i55211.music

Yamaha YCL-CSV
http://www.wwbw.com/Yamaha-YCL-CSV-Bb-Clarinet-i102453.music

Any thoughts about these?

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 Re: Figure out model # from serial #? Buffet, Leblanc
Author: JJAlbrecht 
Date:   2007-08-19 13:54

A couple of other instrument possibilities come to mind. A very nice horn for the money is the new Leblanc/Backun Cadenza, which you can get for substantially less than the approximately $2200 list price. It plays on par with many R13 clarinets, and comes with two Backun barrels, a 65 mm and a 66 mm.

Another good choice for a nice clarinet is to look at Tom Ridenour's Lyrique line at http://www.ridenourclarinetproducts.com Tom designs great clarinets (he used to be the head clarinet designer for Leblanc). These horns are made of hard rubber, and play very well, from reports of others on this BB. I have not had a chance to work with one of these as of the present, but they are on my list to check out in the near future.

Jeff

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 Re: Figure out model # from serial #? Buffet, Leblanc "Regency," Yamaha "Allegro"
Author: Chris P 
Date:   2007-08-19 14:48

How about a Yamaha CSG?

Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010

The opinions I express are my own.

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 Re: Figure out model # from serial #? Buffet, Leblanc "Regency," Yamaha "Allegro
Author: KJSatz 
Date:   2007-08-19 19:06

Ah, I just read about the Yamaha CSG on an Australian website. I think one of the guys I know has one (because the barrel is oddly short...I think he might have a barrel ring though, which would make it something else...). But it isn't on music123 and wwbw only has a used one, so I'm not sure what they're "going for."

Just browsing wwbw like two days ago, I came across the Leblanc Cadenza LB130. I was sort of turned off by the weird colors barrels. One is brown and one is red. Why? They look odd. I know, this is dumb. But does anyone know why they are colored like that and not just black like the rest of the clarinet?

Also, how does the Cadenza LB130 compare to the Sonata L1020?

Finally, has anyone heard of this vendor before? http://www.kesslermusic.com/SelmerLeblanc/LB130/cadenza.htm

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 Re: Figure out model # from serial #? Buffet, Leblanc
Author: JJAlbrecht 
Date:   2007-08-20 15:56

They are not stained dark like the rest of the clarinet. One is grenadilla wood and the other is made from cocobolo. I have the instrunent in question, and the barrels are actually very nice. They also improve the sound on some of my other clarinets! All of Morrie Backun's barrels and bells allow the natural beauty of the wood and its grain to show through.

You should look at Morrie's site for other examples! http://www.backunmusical.com/

You will find similar exmples at the Orsi & Weir site: http://www.orsiandweir.com/

After trying out some of the barrels/bells in question, you will probably love the improved sound characteristics and not care at all about the slightly "unusual" looks involved. Many pros play with these additions.

The Cadenza is the lowest priced of the three Leblanc/Backun horns. The middle level is the Symphonie, and top level is the Legacy. The Symphonie has better keywork, better wood, and comes with a Backun bell, instead of the Leblanc bell. It is also a tad more resistant than the Cadenza, according to Morrie Backun. The Legacy has two Backun barrels and two Backun bells; one each in grenadilla and cocobolo

Sorry, I am unfamiliar with the vendor you listed.

You can find out a little more about these instruments at www.gleblanc.com


Jeff

“Everyone discovers their own way of destroying themselves, and some people choose the clarinet.” Kalman Opperman, 1919-2010

"A drummer is a musician's best friend."


Post Edited (2007-08-20 16:04)

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