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Author: kkocman
Date: 2007-08-01 02:47
Hello everyone! I currently play on an E11 Bb clarinet. I was thinking of purchasing a high end Greenline instrument (RC, Tosca) to play both indoors and outdoors. However, some people have told me (on this board) that I should get a grenadilla clarinet and use my E11 to play outside! I thought that E11s are wooden instruments too? Could someone please clarify this? Thanks in advance!
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Author: Clariphant in Bb
Date: 2007-08-01 03:46
I have a Greenline, and it's great. I use it for outdoor concerts and the like, but I would never march with it. It won't crack, but that doesn't mean it's strong. From what I hear, it would shatter if dropped hard enough onto pavement. An E11 is wood, so I wouldn't use it outside at all. If I had to march, I would use a B12 or something similar.
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Author: Klarinet
Date: 2007-08-01 07:40
Well, I know someone who's Tosca did crack (not by playing outdoors, but it proofs that no wooden instrument is that strong). I have to clarinets and use the best one (RC) indoors and the other (E13) outdoors. But what really is the best is just to use a plastic clarinet for outdoors. It doesn't sound that good, but does that matter if you are guaranteed your instrument won't crack?
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Author: JJAlbrecht
Date: 2007-08-01 21:02
The whole idea of not playing a wooden clarinet outdoors in nice weather is rather silly. They will not suffer, unless you are out in winter or if it is raining, or something equally bad. Never march with one!
Make sure the instrument is adequately broken in, of course.
My guess is that the Tosca just happened to be outdoors when it cracked, rather than being outside caused the cracking. I have played with wooden horns outdoors since the mid-1970s and have never had a problem. If it drops below about 70 degrees Fahrenheit, I would simply use a plactic or hard rubber horn, instead.
Jeff
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Author: Gardini
Date: 2007-08-01 21:22
Wood doesn't like rapid changes in temp or humidity. I work at a Museum with a large collection of priceless wood and ivory objects. We keep the building between 50 to 55% RH. Playing outside is not necessarily a problem for wood clarinets; it is the rapid changes and humidity extremes that the instrument might be exposed to between your interior storage and outdoors. A beautiful wooden oboe right in front of me burst open on stage from stage lights and blasting overhead ventilation. You could hear the wood crack.
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Author: William
Date: 2007-08-01 22:35
The Buffet E11 is a wooden instrumnet with a plastic bell. It is perfectly safe to play it for outside concert events. But if you playing outside as in marching, I would recommend a cheap, practically indestructable Bundy Resonite Clarinet by Selmer. During my 50 yrs playing career, I have never had a cracking problem--knock on grenadilla--and use my top grade clarinets for all my concert events, indoors and out. Clarinets require care in handling--warm up, swab, etc--but are more durable than not. Just be careful and use your best--except on the football field.
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Author: DavidBlumberg
Date: 2007-08-01 22:37
When the E-11 is made, they soak it in an Oil which help prevent cracking quite a bit. That treatment is not done with high end clarinets as it dulls the sound a bit.
So your E-11 can take much more of a beating outside than an R-13.
I'd get a high end wood clarinet and forget the greenline unless your area is a high crack zone and play the E-11 outside.
Don't play it in the winter outside though!!!
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Author: kkocman
Date: 2007-08-01 23:04
I appreciate everyone's input! However, the reason I was wondering about a Greenline is because I WILL be marching with it. Would this be very unwise/unsafe to do? I mean, I take good care of my instrument when I march, but accidents will happen....
So should I go for the Greenline or just get a Grenadilla version and keep my disgusting Artley that's practically falling apart?
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Author: JJAlbrecht
Date: 2007-08-02 01:16
Have the Artley put back into shape for marching. For the good times, get a real wood clarinet. Or look into a Lyrique.
NEVER allow any high-quality clarinet, wood or composite, anywhere NEAR a football field!
Marching and the associated shocks will throw a precision instrument out of alignment very quickly. Not to mention that you will regret it forever if you drop it and it breaks or gets stepped on by the guy behind you playing percussion.
Jeff
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Author: kkocman
Date: 2007-08-02 01:28
Thank you so much for clarifying!!
Now I can finally order my Tosca =)
When I get my Artley put back into shape, will this be expensive. My parents are already mad for shelling out 6 grand for an instrument =(
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Author: SVClarinet09
Date: 2007-08-02 02:14
a full overhaul for a student instrument usually runs around $300(at least for me)
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Author: kkocman
Date: 2007-08-02 02:26
Ok...another problem has come up =(
I can't find my artley. In the awful scenario that it doesn't show up before marching band starts, where can I find cheap instruments? Ahh this is so stressful. Also, I might decide to rent an instrument for the marching band season. Does anyone know how much Music and Arts charges for their rentals? Again, I'm not looking for anything special. Just the most decent instrument that is affordable (as this will be coming out of my bank account)
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Author: chinaboy61
Date: 2007-08-02 04:11
Ha,you sound like me freaking out over everything that hasen't happen yet. First off I would just like to say that if High School student who is getting a Tosca you must first be a FANTASTIC player. I myself don't really like the Tosca that much compared to the other clarinet models. Second off if your lashing out 6 grand for just one clarinet instead of a matching set of a Bb/A. Then you should really just by a 50 doller clarinet from wal-mart. C'mon were clarinets, no one can hear us outside. If you can't stand the out of tune clarinet from wal-mart buy something more in tune for a cheap price off ebay. A old Leblanc Noblet 40 sells great for under 100 bucks and there not really that bad of a horn. Mine plays real well after having if for 6 years and marching with it. There very durable and can withstand my anger spells when I throw it. ha. If you don't want to have a wood clarinet for marching band, then just go by a second hand plastic they can't be ,too expensive.
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Author: LarryBocaner ★2017
Date: 2007-08-02 13:25
kkcokman:
Why don't you call Tony Valenti in Alexandria, VA. He usually has several unclaimed low-end clarinets that he sells for a very reasonable price. Some of my students have gone this route with very good results. I imagine that there are other repair techs in other cities that have the same policy. I would avoid Music and Art like the plague for instruments, buying or repairing!
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Author: D
Date: 2007-08-02 15:50
Or ask around the students who have left band/graduated or are playing another instrument this year. One may be willing to sell or hire out or lend an inexpensive student plastic clarinet.
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