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Author: Fred
Date: 2007-07-27 20:19
Where was that model designation posted? It's not the official Buffet designation of that model (BC1131-5 or BC1131-5-0 is their designation I believe.) But a retailer might have simplified it for shoppers.
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Author: KristinVanHorn
Date: 2007-07-27 20:32
Fred wrote:
> Where was that model designation posted? It's not the official
> Buffet designation of that model (BC1131-5 or BC1131-5-0 is
> their designation I believe.) But a retailer might have
> simplified it for shoppers.
That's what come up when I enter the serial number 317870. It's supose to be a R13 made in 1989.
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Author: Fred
Date: 2007-07-27 21:10
I see what you mean . . . they must have changed their designation somewhere along the way. Now "2" is silver plate and "5" is nickel plate.
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Author: KristinVanHorn
Date: 2007-07-28 00:37
Fred wrote:
> I see what you mean . . . they must have changed their
> designation somewhere along the way. Now "2" is silver plate
> and "5" is nickel plate.
Yeah I looked up a serial number for a R13 made in 1970 and it actually stated it was a R13. Newer ones don't state that at all now. Weird
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Author: Fred
Date: 2007-07-28 04:23
Buffet's website also identified my 86XXX R13 as being made in 1991. I'm the original owner - bought in 1966.
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Author: KristinVanHorn
Date: 2007-07-28 16:03
Fred wrote:
> Buffet's website also identified my 86XXX R13 as being made in
> 1991. I'm the original owner - bought in 1966.
Wow! I hope that's just an isolated case.
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2007-07-28 17:17
Fred,
Did it specifically identify an R13 in the description? The few random numbers I entered from the 86xxx range all returned a Buffet 1102.NI. Though Buffet doesn't identify this model number on their site, some digging around on the web turned up a music store that said the 1102 was an E13 model and I think the serial number/date combination should be about right for that. For some reason beyond me, there is a gap in the serial number list w/regard to professional (R13, RC, S1, etc.) clarinets from 79865 through 93203. This corresponds roughly to the period from June, 1964 through December, 1965. I don't think your R13 is on the list. Probably made in 1965.
NI is nickle-plated. AG is silver-plated. Straight from the table of elements.
Best regards,
jnk
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Author: Fred
Date: 2007-07-28 22:37
You're right, Jack. It came up with an 1102 made in 1991. I am aware of the gap in BC records around the time mine was made, but coming up with a different model and manf. date somewhat surprised me.
I hadn't taken the time to track down the 1102 designation, and really didn't know if the model designation changed as they went through all their little tweeks on the R13 design. Thanks for that additional info!
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Author: b.roke
Date: 2007-07-29 00:46
and i just checked and got this -
Brand : Buffet Crampon
Instrument : BC 1102.NI
Serial number : 68547
Year of manufacturing : 20/07/1986
Brand : Buffet Crampon
Instrument : N� 1 Sib Am�rique
Serial number : 68547
Year of manufacturing : 27/09/1961
Brand : Buffet Crampon
Instrument : Clarinettes Nickel�es 1102
Serial number : 68547
Year of manufacturing : 06/04/1986
the midde one fits in with the list on here, but i have no idea of the stuff in the instrument line.
if anyone can make sense of this i would be appreciative.
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steadfastness stands higher than any success
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2007-07-29 02:10
Fred,
Buffet has used the same serial number for different models. That's why you can get multiple hits in the serial number list. In the case of the E13, I suspect (but do not know for sure for numbers this high) that there is actually a K-prefix. The serial number list ignores prefixes.
Harmony clarinets (alto and lower) also will appear as duplicates at the low end of the numbering system (no prefix). I have also come across bassoons on the current list and, maybe, oboes in the past. I don't know whether it has saxophones or not.
Roger,
In a thread on the Klarinet list, Francois Kloc mentioned that, when Buffet first started experimenting with the polycylindrical bore, they identified those instruments as the No1 or N01 line (Perhaps the � that turns up when we access the site is a font issue regarding a French vowel with some kind of accent mark.) This designation continues in the serial number list far beyond the point where instruments are clearly R13's so I think that may have been Buffet's first model designation for the R13, as well. Sib is of course Bb and Am�rique might indicate that the instrument was made for the U.S. (or, perhaps, North American, or even American) market(s)- perhaps 440 pitch.
The other two clarinets are interesting to me, both 1102 and both apparently nickle plated but they are named differently and assigned different dates. Is it an error in the list or duplicates in Buffet's records? Or are they two different clarinets, perhaps the first one designated for the "American" market(s) and the second for the European market. Do they have different prefixes? Stay tuned, maybe someone else will be able to fill in the blanks.
Best regards,
jnk
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