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 Just starting out
Author: AnnieMatilda 
Date:   2007-07-27 19:55

I have been lurking and reading posts for a little while now and thought it was time to say hello. I have wanted to play clarinet for as long as I can remember and at last, four months ago and nearing retirement, I decided to treat myself.

I did not think it would be easy to learn and the more I read the more complicated the whole process seems to be. Still, I am trying to be patient with myself and have made a little progress since my first fruitless effort when no sound at all came from the instrument.

I do have a couple of questions (well lots really but I don't want to bore you all).

1. My right thumb has been aching a bit. I have very bony fingers and have found that padding my thumb a little does ease it. Is that alright to do?

2. Is it necessary to take the instrument to pieces after each practice, especially if I do three short practices throughout the day.

3. How long will it be before my husband can dispose of the earplugs during my practice sessions? In other words, when will I start to sound ok to listen to? :-)

Thanks for all the useful information that I have already gleaned from this great site. (wanders off repeating "I must be patient, I must be patient")



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 Re: Just starting out
Author: bstutsman 
Date:   2007-07-27 20:59

First of all, for someone just starting out, nothing is more valuable than a private teacher. You are investing in the instrument and accessories as well as your own time, so it only makes sense to start with professional help.

A pad is ok for your thumb. Some new clarinets do not have the thumb rest corked. I think this is a disadvantage. You might have a repair person cork it if necessary.

As for your thumb aching, make sure it is positioned correctly. A good hand postion is very important when starting clarinet. Depending on the size of your hand, there may be some variation in what I am going to describe. The thumbrest needs to contact your thumb on the side of the thumb. In other words the thumbnail will be parallel to the clarinet. On my hand the thumbrest is very slightly toward the nail from the middle joint. I have been playing for 50 years and sometimes my thumb aches also. Usually it's about the time my embouchure starts to tire also. If it hurts, just try taking a little break.

You can leave the instrumemt assembled between practices, but I would definitely put it away at night. If it's been left assembled, give the joints all a twist to keep it from sticking before you play it again. At the end of each practice session, you should swab it out. If it is silver-plated, it will tarnish faster the more it's exposed to air and not in its case.

Concerning your tone, this depends on you. Once again, a good teacher is invaluable. Listen to recordings of great clarinet players. Get it in your ear what a clarinet is supposed to sound like. It's been my experience that ALL students should be beginning to get a characteristic sound by the end of the 3rd year, if not sooner. If you only listen to Robert Marcellus playing the Mozart concerto, you will be doing a lot to help your sound.

My wife still closes every door she can when I practice. Remind your spouse that, like earplugs, husbands are disposable also. ;)



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 Re: Just starting out
Author: AnnieMatilda 
Date:   2007-07-28 11:02

Thank you for that advice. I do try to get my thumb in the right position but then my fingers don't fit properly. I expect that will come with practice. (?)

I am enjoying the challenge and getting so much enjoyment from learning to play. I will continue to lurk and learn if that is ok.



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 Re: Just starting out
Author: Don Berger 
Date:   2007-07-28 13:59

Hi AM - Many clarinet beginners have right hand thumb pain and "reach" problems. particularly of the third [ring] and little [some of the 4 key "touches"] fingers, because of a bad [too-low] location of the Thumb Rest. Please Search our BBoard archives for our many discussions. I'm an advocate of just "inverting" the TR and using a rubber TR cushion, while many others prefer to have an adjustable TR installed by a tech-repairer. Yes, a teacher's [ a cl player] advice is very desireable, IMHO. Don

Thanx, Mark, Don

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 Re: Just starting out
Author: Tobin 
Date:   2007-07-28 14:14

Hello AM,

I would add just a bit of advice...if the clarinet is plastic, then I agree with bstutsman that you may leave the instrument together. If it is wood then you should dissasemble the clarinet everytime.

Wooden instruments are heavier! Along with Don's suggestions you might explore getting a neckstrap (and whatever device is needed to attach a neckstrap to the clarinet if it does not have a hook). Many of my students use a neckstrap, as do I!

Your hands will adjust to the instrument, it just takes time.

Bstutsman's advice on private instruction is one hundred percent accurate. Get a teacher! A university or college would be a great place to find one, and you can often "save" money by studying with a clarinet professor's top student.

Good luck, and don't lurk...just ask.

James

ps...three short practices a day = great idea!

Gnothi Seauton

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 Re: Just starting out
Author: D 
Date:   2007-07-28 15:06

If you haven't already then find friendly community band of some time to join, even if it's just a group of other adult beginners like you and between you all you can manage is four notes. It is never to early to play with others. It has a million advantages and you will notice improvement in your playing. The most important thing to remember is that it is supposed to be fun. If it is not fun find a different group! Leave your shame at the door, if the music looks hard then pick a few notes and then a few bars to aim for. You'll be amazed at how quick you learn more.
As a start get hold of some of those tutor books with CDs/tapes. Public libraries here often have them to hire for about a pound a week. Gives you an idea what it is like to play without being able to slow down in the hard bits.
I went to play with friends this morning. One of the weaker members of the group said, 'at home I can play all kinds of tunes. But you lot are just relentless!' By which he meant, we didn't wait for him when he missed the start and then he couldn't get back in. But it all ended in giggles, and as long as they don't turn to tears then you are doing it right.

Most important
HAVE FUN!

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 Re: Just starting out
Author: Bob Phillips 
Date:   2007-07-28 16:59

AM,

1.) Consult a competent teacher.

2.) Try out a neck strap.
At the ClarinetFest, the first performer, James Campbell, stepped on stage with a BG elastic neck strap holding his Yamaha clarinet up by its thumb rest. He demands that all of his students at North Texas University give them a try.

He showed me that his clarinetist's thumb callus has nearly dissipated. (He also uses an aftermarket thumbrest (a Koimann, I believe he said).

I've been playing for many years, and don't have the sore thumb problem, but have an overuse injury caused from my right arm's position while practicing. So, I'm trying out the BG elastic clarinet strap. So far, it is not certain that it is helping. I may be that, I'm actually pulling down against the elastic --and thus changing the aggravation.

Many of the distinguished players at the ClarinetFest recitals were using neck straps

Welcome aboard

Bob Phillips

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 Re: Just starting out
Author: blissedOUT 
Date:   2007-07-29 06:59

Hey AM,
I just recently got my lips around a Clarinet as well...

My right thumb is sore too and I have a dent between my nail and knuckle.
Being a drummer, I'm used to this.
I expect a nice, padded callous to grow there with time.
Also, a corked finger-rest does help.
(Confirmed when I exchanged my two-week old beginner CSO model for a Yamaha YCL-250 today)

From the firm prodding here, I got a teacher.
I didn't want to... I wanted to be somewhat competent when I met a teacher.
(pride rears it's ugly head... like wanting to be in good shape before joining a gym)

But, I conceded, found a professional and it has helped very much.
My teacher has given me good advice and I'm definitely motivated at practice-time.
I know that I have to face this person in a week's time and I don't want to put them through
"that" again.
Luckily, they were patient, but demanding; calm, but forceful.

I do break-down my instrument between practice.
Like you, I expected to leave my Clarinet on the stand that I bought with it 24/7.
But, since the reed needs special treatment, I got into a habit of disassembling
it at the end of practice.
There is a benefit to this though: when I go through the effort to moisten the reed and assemble the instrument, it's serious... "practice-time, do not disturb".
I'm more focused on accomplishment.

Unfortunately, I'm wordy, so I'll try to address your third point quickly.
Maybe it's not so good to practice with someone around in the beginning (even with earplugs).
I've performed other instruments in front of hundreds of people without much self-consciousness, and I've taught technical subjects to complete strangers for years in 40hrs/wk classes.
But, I'm having problems getting comfortable casually playing in front of people... my teacher, my roommate, the instructional DVD.
On the DVD, they play through once as an ensemble, then allow you to solo.
I blow fine through the ensemble, then, if I'm going to squeak (choke), it's solo.
I've only played about two-weeks, but coming from other instruments I believe this is just part of learning.

Don't be too hard on yourself, and maybe clear your environment of any obstacles.
Send the spouse to the movies or a good curry... :)



Post Edited (2007-07-29 07:00)

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 Re: Just starting out
Author: AnnieMatilda 
Date:   2007-07-29 15:31

I had a look at the neck straps on the internet last night to see what they were like with the intention of ordering one after some investigation as to which looked best. As they did not look too complicated (and because I wanted one right now) I have put one together from a camera neck strap, a piece of elastic, a hook and a piece of leather. It was intended to be "make do" until I could get one through the post but it is so good and so comfortable that I may keep it after all.  :) It does make quite a difference too although not having the weight of the clarinet on my thumb feels a bit odd as yet.

My clarinet is a plastic one. I wanted to be sure that I would be able to play a little bit before I spent a huge amount. On work days I practice before and after work and break the clarinet down between practices but at the week-end or holidays I swab it through and leave it assembled so that I can pick it up when the fancy takes me.

After having read about different makes and mouthpieces on this board it seems that the purchase of a good clarinet is very complicated. I will ask advice from you all once I have saved my pennies (or perhaps when Father Christmas enquires what I would like).

Thanks again for all your advice.

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 Re: Just starting out
Author: Lelia Loban 2017
Date:   2007-07-29 16:00

Another thing you might try to help your thumb, if you suspect that the thumb rest is a little bit too high for you: Cut the tip off the type of eraser that's sold for putting on the end of a pencil. The rubber ring that's left when you cut off the tip should fit, tightly, around most types of thumb rests. It will lower your thumb slightly, and although the eraser isn't squishy-soft, it will give you a little bit of extra padding. When you have a teacher, be sure to mention the thumb--after looking at your hand position, the teacher may have some good ideas about what type of neck strap or after-market thumb rest will help the most.

Good luck with the clarinet!

Lelia
http://www.scoreexchange.com/profiles/Lelia_Loban
To hear the audio, click on the "Scorch Plug-In" box above the score.

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