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Author: James N
Date: 2007-07-13 16:32
Hi all,
I am on the hunt for a new ligature to go with my Vandoren 5RV mouthpiece.
I am looking for something that allows a loud dynamics, as in my ensemble I play 1st, and I am struggling to get the sound across the other instruments.
I do not have a huge budget, so something on the lower side of £35 would be great.
Thanks
James
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2007-07-13 17:00
...and you think a ligature can do that for you (the dynamic thing and all)?
If the rest of the ensemble is too loud, consider a different mouthpiece and/or different reeds. I don't think a ligature alone can do that.
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Ben
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Author: James N
Date: 2007-07-13 17:04
well I only have the bog standard lig. on my vandoren mouthpiece....so it has to be a start.
any ideas where to start?
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Author: Gobboboy
Date: 2007-07-13 17:53
Playing 1st does not mean you have to get your sound heard above the other instruments!!!
Good ensemble and balance is what is required.
If you listen to every other part in your group all the time whilst playing yours you will fit in just fine. The ligature wont make a difference in volume at all.
But as you ask, my favourite are the vandoren Optimum ligs on all clarinets.
G
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Author: rtmyth
Date: 2007-07-13 20:05
make your own velcro for 30 cents. work great.
richard smith
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2007-07-13 20:15
I go with Chris A and Ben [tictac toe?], Bonades are my fav, also Luries. Seeking volume, many of us like the "big bore" cls [Selme CTs and many old Conns and PF type Leblancs, Dynamics etc. They play best [loud?] with more open tip mps than a 5RV[?Lyre] etc, IMHO. Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: ashemas
Date: 2007-07-13 22:02
I agree with ChrisArcand...Bonades are excellent ligatures that allow for easy projection. Try them; they're very cheap.
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Author: Ed
Date: 2007-07-13 23:26
Spring for the extra bucks and get a Peter Spriggs floating rail ligature. They are superb.
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Author: C2thew
Date: 2007-07-14 03:28
Spriggs, super revelation, and
"make your own velcro for 30 cents. work great." wtf?? =) Post a picture of that! that sounds pretty cool for 30 cents heheheh.
Our inventions are wont to be pretty toys, which distract our attention from serious things. they are but improved means to an unimproved end, an end which was already but too easy to arrive as railroads lead to Boston to New York
-Walden; Henry Thoreau
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Author: 2E
Date: 2007-07-14 03:55
Cheapest (and debatably BEST) ligature you could go for is a shoe lace ...
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2007-07-14 06:35
The problem with at least the new Bonade that I saw is that it is warped and will scratch or won't fit my mouthpiece. I don't want to buy a new ligature and have to fix it for it to work, especially when it is not any better than other ligatures of similar price (I've tried a good Bonade too).
The newer model of the Francois Louis that John Moses looks like maybe it soved the problem with the older model, which was that when turning the big screw to tighten the ligature your fingers would touch those four sharp screws (or whatever they are).
My favorite ligatures are the Oleg ligature which cost me less than $30 on eBay and the Vandoren Masters ligature which I think is about $20. I also used a shoe lace occasionally but stopped just because ligature is much faster.
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2007-07-14 12:05
Ok, within a given system, the ligature will make a big difference in sound... comparatively speaking. I have had the best results with the Vandoren Leather with the metal plate (there are also leather "plates" that make this ligature particularly flexible). Also the Eddie Daniels is a very good example of a loud ligature.
I guess the whole "Bonade" design principle is the best for me since the Bonade and the Ishimori are the second best for projection. However you need to place these ligatures high on the reed (just below the line of ligature for best results). Also the Bonade is not that well made, you need to bend it regularly to keep in adjustment and the back part (on the inverted) will scratch the hell out of your mouthpiece.
Also, I disgree with the recommendation for the BG Revelation. This ligature clearly stifled the sound comparing side by side with the above suggestions.
Bottom line is that you will hear a difference once you have a big sound but the ligature itself will not produce one for you.
...............Paul Aviles
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2007-07-14 12:59
Are you talking about the sound heard by the player or the sound heard in the audience?
I mean, it's like a rattly key or a crackling pad, it unnerves the player but can hardly be noticed amidst the candy-unwrapping audience. I know that if the player is happy with the setup, he/she will probably play better, more relaxed etc, so I don't mean to neglect the influence of a ligature.
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Ben
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Author: Dano
Date: 2007-07-14 14:13
I know everyone is different but ligatures have not played a significant role in my sound. I find that my sound does not noticably change with different ligatures. I like one that you can put on and take off easily, does not warp my reeds, is inexpensive and does not scratch my mouthpieces. I have not found much difference between an expensive, gold plated ligature and well placed rubber bands or as others have recommended, velcro. I believe there is way too much hype when it comes to ligatures. Too many claims that a certain ligature allows you to acheive a sound you can't currently acheive. I have used the Rovner ligatures for years and find them easily available, they protect my mouthpieces and they come off and go on quickly.
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Author: Caco185
Date: 2007-07-14 20:44
The Spriggs Floating Rail ligature really opened up my sound quite a bit. Much more free blowing now. That might give you a little more projection..
By the way, I'm playing on a Genussa Excellente.
Dale Huggard
Clarinet Performance Major, Michigan
Buffet R-13 - Silver plated
Genussa Excellente
Spriggs Floating Rail Ligature
Vandoren V12 #4
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Author: bob49t
Date: 2007-07-14 22:12
In general I agree with Dano, but having been an enthusiast for the FL lig for several years, I've now gone over to the Vandoren Klassic woven string. It's probably the nearest relation of the shoe lace and easy to place and remove. Does NO damage to m/piece and will not apply too much force (no screw) to the m/piece. I've found with suitably lubed m/p cork, no probs arise when changing over Bb to A. Notionally an appreciable difference in sound and seems easy to get all registers.......But hey, this is yet another post to add to the already enormous number of threads about ligatures. Most of them fuelled with personal experiences and likely to be peculiar to the m/p reed combo of the individual player. "What works for me.... etc etc"
As Ben says the volume issue is less likely to be a lig problem but a fundamental of your technique and your m/p:reed set up to say nothing of the instrument's own setup. The lig may vary the qualities of your sound to a degree which may please you and your near neighbours however!
BobT
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2007-07-15 17:10
I refer to sound pressure level differences.....and yes, the opinions of obsevers on the other side a large room as well as those several rooms away.
..............Paul Aviles
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Author: shmuelyosef
Date: 2007-07-16 03:41
Bonades are excellent ligatures that allow for easy projection. Try them; they're very cheap.
I agree fully, and would add that the Vandoren Inverted Masters is another good one. I use them on bari and alto sax as well. I particularly like the black ones that just visually disappear, but they are a lower mass (for those of you that think this is cool) alternative to the Bonade.
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Author: Ebclarinet1
Date: 2007-07-16 11:54
I've switched to Van Doren Optimums for all of my clarinets and couldn't be more happy. They seem to give a bigger sound and more control on all of them (Eb, Bb, alto, bass and basset). In the group that I'm playing in now, all but one is using them. That person is playing a Rovner, which is what I played before the switchover to the Van Doren. Definitely worth a try.
Eefer guy
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