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Author: ElBlufer
Date: 2007-07-07 05:05
Is he trying to sound out of tune and tempo?
My Setup:
R13 Clarinet (Ridenour Lyrique as my backup/marching instrument)
Walter Grabner K11 mouthpiece
Rico Reserve 3.5's
Bonade ligature
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Author: GBK
Date: 2007-07-07 05:30
Finally...we have found the Urtext edition...GBK
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Author: Clariphant in Bb
Date: 2007-07-07 05:45
I made the mistake of listening to the Adagio sample from this guy in iTunes...
How many times should I listen to the Marcellus recording to fully purify myself?
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Author: srattle
Date: 2007-07-07 11:36
Tale Ognenovski: Musical Genius
Right on the cd cover. Hilarious
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Author: rsholmes
Date: 2007-07-07 11:56
Alas that he was born to late to collaborate with Florence Foster Jenkins.
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2007-07-07 12:42
I think you should have made it multiple-choice, John, e.g:
This is an example of:
a. "Roll Out the Barrel" on steroids
b. mixed meter and multiphonics
c. John Moses' first bad post ever
d. What you get when you hire non-union musicians to play your wedding reception
e. Shameless self-promotion*
*Check out this photo. Could it be the same guy? (Darken the hair, shave off the beard and mustache, take off the glasses)?
A dapper Tale?
Go wash out your ears (and your keyboard) with soap, John.
Best regards,
jnk
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Author: claclaws
Date: 2007-07-07 13:20
Mozart 622 a la world music? Frankly I don't understand..
Lucy Lee Jang
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Author: Tobin
Date: 2007-07-07 13:44
...well why not?
Whenever I come to a difficult passage I just slow down a little, or maybe even leave some notes out, and my percussionist just keeps time and everythings ok!
James
Gnothi Seauton
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Author: CPW
Date: 2007-07-07 14:17
There is never a snake in a basket when you need one.
Against the windmills of my mind
The jousting pole splinters
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Author: Phat Cat
Date: 2007-07-07 14:25
The Mothers of Invention did this sort of thing much better, but then they did it intentionally.
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Author: bob49t
Date: 2007-07-07 14:26
So did anyone scroll down to the crits?......they're great too !
BobT
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Author: Tobin
Date: 2007-07-07 14:37
...a big, irate, agitated, poisonous snake...preferably.
Gnothi Seauton
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Author: John J. Moses
Date: 2007-07-07 14:43
"*Check out this photo. Could it be the same guy? (Darken the hair, shave off the beard and mustache, take off the glasses)?
Go wash out your ears (and your keyboard) with soap, John."
You've found me out, Jack...! I've needed to record the Concerto for years, and finally found a label...pretty good, huh?
Seriously, who is this guy? Does anyone actually own any of his stuff?
Interesting...?
JJM
Légère Artist
Clark W. Fobes Artist
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Author: Katrina
Date: 2007-07-07 15:24
Quite frankly, Tale Ognenovski is one of the best Macedonian clarinetists around. Ok, maybe recording the Mozart was a mistake, but his recordings of traditional Macedonian folk stuff are truly amazing...
And yes, I do own some of his recordings...I only listen to the Macedonian parts though.
Katrina
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Author: John J. Moses
Date: 2007-07-07 15:36
Hi Katrina:
I must admit I know very little about Macedonian music and the playing of Tale Ognenovski. I just found his Mozart a little odd, but I'm sure his own native Macedonian music is exemplary playing.
Perhaps his Mozart interpretation is not a mistake, it's just the way HE hears it. I found his other MP3 clips to be quite nice.
Thanks for the clarification.
JJM
Légère Artist
Clark W. Fobes Artist
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Author: Bill G
Date: 2007-07-09 02:22
Reminds me of the "Jonathan and Darlene Edwards" recording where the giveaway (not apparent at first glance) was that the pianist on the cover had two left hands. The liner notes were priceless. The recording was by Paul Weston and his wife, Jo Stafford, as a spoof.
This clarinetest could have been depicted with ten thumbs.
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Author: Steve Epstein
Date: 2007-07-09 02:44
John J. Moses wrote:
> Perhaps his Mozart interpretation is not a mistake, it's just
> the way HE hears it. I found his other MP3 clips to be quite
> nice.
>
Yes, I agree, it may be the way he hears it.
We have people who play Toccata and Fugue on electric guitar, and most of us can appreciate that. Chet Atkins did a famous rendition of Stars and Stripes on guitar. Imagine K622 played on guitar, or banjo, with an accompanying walking bass. Most of you could imagine that, yes? The beginning of the first movement would sort of be a groovy polka, yes? Because that type of music is familiar to our American and Western European ears.
Well, this is what is familiar to his ears.
Steve Epstein
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Author: hinotehud ★2017
Date: 2007-07-09 03:24
Thanks Bill G for the info on Jonathan and Darlene Edwards. At my retirement party, someone anonymously gave me a copy of their 1st CD without writing on it who it was. Your description sounded like the CD I had and after chekcing Amazon.com, sure enough that was them. I hope the "Concerto Polka" was meant to be funny.
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Author: skygardener
Date: 2007-07-09 03:47
WOW!! I can definately say I have never heard Mozart played like that before!
The samples on Amazon of NON-Mozart recordings are interesting.
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Author: ken
Date: 2007-07-10 01:00
No, I'm NOT going listen to it for fear I'll be ruined for life. v/r Ken
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Author: skygardener
Date: 2007-07-11 03:57
Listen to some clips of HIS traditional music. It is pretty cool, but the "Mozart"... well... it's just not Mozart.
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Author: Katrina
Date: 2007-07-11 04:07
As I said in my previous post, the MACEDONIAN stuff is the "shizzle." That's why he is a "genius."
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Author: John J. Moses
Date: 2007-07-11 14:12
Katrina:
You know Tale's traditional music playing well, judging from your posts.
So why did this great MACEDONIAN clarinet virtuoso decide to record this most strange version of the Mozart Concerto???
Many years ago, Benny Goodman got a lot of flack for his classical recordings on the Mozart Concerto & Quintet. He stepped out of his great Jazz shoes into a classical venue that he was less familiar with, and had a little trouble.
I did enjoy hearing Benny play "legit" music, probably because I loved Benny. Is that the way you feel about Tale Ognenovski's playing?
JJM
Légère Artist
Clark W. Fobes Artist
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Author: Katrina
Date: 2007-07-11 15:30
John:
I do not actually know why he did this. I listened to it, and boy oh boy is it misguided! I do not like it, but when I heard it I thought, "Oh, that's sweet! He thinks he's being innovative!"
My guess as to why this recording exists is as follows: Slavic Macedonian clarinet god decides to make his "traditional" stuff more "accessible" to the west by playing jazz and jazz-inflected traditionals (earlier CD than the one referenced here). After that succeeds, the Ego with a capital E takes over and says, "Well, I can do Mozart too, and if I write my own Concerto I can look like I'm the new Mozart!" FYI, the Slavic Male is a very interesting sub-species!
Katrina
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Author: John J. Moses
Date: 2007-07-12 17:23
"FYI, the Slavic Male is a very interesting sub-species!"
Interesting comment, Katrina...
As a matter of fact, I'm the first one in my family to walk upright...! (joke)
JJM
Légère Artist
Clark W. Fobes Artist
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Author: Katrina
Date: 2007-07-12 18:18
LOL...
Just as a clarification though, my reference to "Slavic Male" is to those males raised/born in the Balkans...There's something about the culture there that makes men different!!! As an American woman who plays clarinet (a traditionally "male" instrument there), it's really blatantly obvious to me when they start puffing their chests and all.
Katrina
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Author: Katrina
Date: 2007-07-12 19:48
Any instruments, actually. Women did not play any instruments at all, because their work required their hands (cooking, sewing, knitting, etc.). Men, who largely watched animals in the fields or were soldiers, had a lot more time where they were not using their hands while working (marching, sitting) and could play a kaval or a clarinet or a gadulka or a gaida. Women sang while working, but did not learn instruments other than simple accompaniments to songs on the tambura. There is, of course, the added problem of wind instruments being viewed as inappropriate due to their "phallic" nature. There are even now very few women playing folk instruments (gaida, gadulka, kaval, tapan) in the Balkans.
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Author: diz
Date: 2007-07-12 21:54
Well, thanks John, that just curdled the eggs I ate for breakfast.
Without music, the world would be grey, very grey.
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Author: buedsma
Date: 2007-07-13 10:54
very good point about the special subculture in balkan country
Testosteron all over the place most of the time.
And i know , because i had a lot of gatherings with traditional musicians from that part of europe. ( roemenia; bulgaria , greece , hungaria etc )
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