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Author: DrH2O
Date: 2007-06-24 19:13
I just bought an Evette & Schaeffer on ebay and although it otherwise seems to be in nice shape (will know better after it is repadded) the barrel socket for the upper joint is too short. Even when the barrel is pushed down all the way, there is a 1/8 inch gap between the barrel ring and the top of the tenon. Measuring the socket and the tenon joint confirm that they aren't the same length (tenon joint is longer). The barrel, UJ, LJ and bell all have the same E&S Master Model emblem and the barrel rings match the rings on the lower joint.
Any ideas why the gap is there? Is this the wrong barrel for this clarinet? Can I still use it? I tried the barrel from my daughter's E-11 and it goes down all the way but is loose (could be cork on tenon joint I suppose).
Anne
Clarinet addict
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Author: John O'Janpa
Date: 2007-06-24 21:28
The barrel is usable if the instrument, barrel, mouthpiece, combo don't play flat with the gap present. Double check to see if someone left a tuning ring in the barrel joint. Sometimes they are hard to see.
Post Edited (2007-06-25 02:08)
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Author: DrH2O
Date: 2007-06-24 21:40
Bingo! Newbie moment - having never seen a tuning ring I didn't realize they went inside the barrel. There is in fact a tuning ring stuck in there, but it is so flush that I could see or feel it.
So now, how do I get it out?
Anne
Clarinet addict
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Author: Cindyr
Date: 2007-06-25 01:04
Greetings, Anne, from another clarinet lover. I've been playing again for about two years now, and joined a community concert band last year near where I live here in Ma. Thank goodness for this board, as you can't assume that your friends, or family, can relate to enjoying the clarinet, or to all the practice that it takes to play decently in a band. And, who can relate to the excitement over a great clarinet find except another clarinet lover? We need to band together! Enjoy your Evette & Scaeffer!
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Author: John O'Janpa
Date: 2007-06-25 02:16
If it doesn't play flat there is really no need to remove it. When I remove mine, I simply insert my pinky into the end of the barrel, and once the tuning ring is tight on my pinky, I remove it by pulling it straight back. Mine is not stuck however.
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2007-06-25 13:17
Hi Anne - J O J's help so far is VG, apparently the previous owner found it necessary the lengthen [some say pull] the barrel by a minimum of 1/8" to get in tune. So check out the pitch, if the "concert A" is at least 440-442, I'd leave it as is, and make any small adjustments by "pulling" the mouthpiece slightly to get down to the group's tuning pitch, or experiment with slightly shorter mps to get up to their pitch. Removing the ring might be a considerable problem, particularly if the cl has not been used for some time and the wood has shrunk slightly. I'd suggest first using a few drops of bore oil placed on the [inverted] top of the ring, also lightly oil the outside of the barrel, and let set for a day or so. Then perhaps a finger-pull as JOJ said might work. When I have a [recently] stuck ring, I use a medium sized [small tip] screwdriver and carefully try to urge it loose and out. You cl techs, Please help with other "tricks" LUCK, Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: hartt
Date: 2007-06-25 13:44
a giant magnet ????????
bore oil should loosen it over a short period. If it needs coaxing, very carefully try using a dental pic; they are angled to allow more working room (as opposed to a straight screwdriver) but be careful not to gouge the wood
also, while you are at testing the tuning, be sure to check the tuning of all throat tones. An open G, G#, A are often sharp. What you need to check is the throat D,E,F. This is where pulling the bbl becomes important.
If the G, G#, A are significantly sharper than teh D<E< F, they can be addressed separately perhaps by adding key cork so the key does not open as much. Here, one gets into a fine line of lowering the pitch and a stuffy note
have a great tiem playing and enjoy it !!
BTW..one clarinet makes not an addict...clarinet addicts are GBK and me![[wink]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie3.gif)
regards
dennis
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2007-06-25 15:50
Once you remove the ring, make a small notch in it with a file. This will help you remove it in the future.
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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Author: DrH2O
Date: 2007-06-25 18:53
Thank you all for your comments and help!
I got it out with a combination of gentle coaxing as suggested and a brief stay in the fridge (cringe!) to shrink the plastic tuning ring since plastic gets cold faster than wood. No damage to the barrel and I threw the ring in the trash.
It was playing flat on A and Bb with the tuning ring, open G wasn't too bad, and I couldn't test B because too many pads are missing or shot and the upper joint leaks like a sieve - hence lower joints notes won't play.
I've sent it off to a tech to see what it needs (besides new pads of course). I'll check the other notes when it comes back.
I'm definitely addicted to playing the clarinet at this point (my daughter says I'm obsessed because I practice at 7:30 in the morning), but I suspect that leads eventually to collecting the instruments as well. Lets see, I've been playing for about 4 months and already have 2 clarinets. By the time I've been playing for a couple of years.....
Cheers!
Anne
Clarinet addict
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