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Author: C2thew
Date: 2007-05-22 05:25
Anyone have any good stories on just awesome stock mouthpieces? mine is a leblanc 4L that came with a dynamc h. "stock" is focused on mpcs that come with the clarinet, otherwise stock can be mpcs that stores currently sell and so forth. just wanted to see.
Our inventions are wont to be pretty toys, which distract our attention from serious things. they are but improved means to an unimproved end, an end which was already but too easy to arrive as railroads lead to Boston to New York
-Walden; Henry Thoreau
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Author: stevesklar
Date: 2007-05-22 10:18
The stock mpcs with Eaton Clarinets are great but separately they are very expensive.
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Author: cpark
Date: 2007-05-22 11:20
Vandoren B40 Lyre
A newer, not as well known Vandoren model that is fantastic.
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Author: Bill
Date: 2007-05-22 11:37
A Cundy-Bettony Qualite Superieure blank with the two interlocking "C's" that came in the case of an old Silva-Bet clarinet. It's never been refaced.
Bill.
Bill Fogle
Ellsworth, Maine
(formerly Washington, DC)
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2007-05-22 12:04
I have an older Buffet C Crown that is really fantastic. I think it came with my R13 many, many years ago. Never been refaced or touched up in any way.
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Author: William
Date: 2007-05-22 14:08
My old Selmer HS** was a great mouthpiece. Bought "right off the shelf", it immediantly improved my sound and articulation. The subsequent "custom" mpcies that I have acquired seem to play better (Kaspar, Bay, etc), but none have made quite the dramatic difference in my playing that this old stock Selmer did. BTW, I still have it in my "stuff" drawer and I think I will go and give it a try for old times sake.
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Author: ohsuzan
Date: 2007-05-22 14:27
Without question, the best commercially available Bb clarinet mouthpiece I have played is the Fobes CF line -- Debut, Nova, San Francisco.
Susan
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Author: rtmyth
Date: 2007-05-22 14:52
A Chediville I bought at Rayburn in 1952. Played it for 30 plus years. Sold it to Harrison, who was estatic to get it.
richard smith
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2007-05-22 15:00
M15 and M13 Vandoren.
Selmer HS*
Fine over the counter mpx.
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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Author: Bassie
Date: 2007-05-22 15:04
My Selmer Paris came with a C85 120 in the box, which I really liked. Now my off-the-shelf choice is B45 Dot.
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Author: CJB
Date: 2007-05-22 16:44
The Selmer mouthpiece that came with my Selmer 10S Eb.
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Author: shmeon
Date: 2007-05-22 17:57
The amazing Karl Leister recently gave a master class at the San Francisco Conservatory of Music where I am a grad student. I was fortunate enough to play for him and in the hour before the class during what was going to be my rehearsal time, Mr. Leister arrived early to give me an impromptu lesson. During the lesson we discussed mouthpieces. I quote directly from Karl Leister:
"The Vandoren M13 in the best stock mouthpiece available. I'd play on it if I didn't love my German mouthpiece so much."
I play on a Clark Fobes CF facing mouthpiece. I know Clark and he has been very helpful setting me up with a great mouthpiece and a great set of barrles (his barrels are also used by Carey Bell, recently appointed Principal clarinet of the SF Symphony). Clark makes great mouthpieces.
-Dan
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Author: super20dan
Date: 2007-05-22 22:52
buffet c crown here too! came with my sister in laws buffet. she never even thought to try it. she missed out big time
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2007-05-23 02:44
Super20dan,
You got the MP, right?
On soprano sax, I play a stock Selmer 80 C*, on alto a stock Meyer 7M, and on tenor (hold on to your hats) a Rico Royal B5 - for concert gigs or M5 for jazz (about $12 each). And I have loads of MPs and can afford to get what ever I want but these play great. On auxiliary woodwinds (BC, bari, eefer) all pretty much Selmer C*.
I just went back to my stock Portnoy BP02 tonight for a rehearsal on clarinet. It is 35 years old and has never been refaced. I echo William with the Selmer HS** as a great MP. In the 60s, that was a pretty standard MP.
HRL
PS If you can find a good Wells B2, you might like it very much.
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Author: glin
Date: 2007-05-23 02:49
I think this thread is going away from the original post.
The way I read the question in the first post is which stock mouthpieces that come packaged with a clarinet are good?
I don't have enough data points to offer any sure fire conclusions. But my observations are that the vary across the board. I recall that years ago, the , The Selmer mouthpieces that come on their intermediate and professional clarinets were Selmer Pais C85 mouthpieces. The one I played on was ok and better than the Vandoren B45 that I was using at the time.
Leblanc's high end clarinets come with the Eddie Daniels mpc, which is marketed and priced as a high end mpc. So, I would expect good results from that.
The remaining big 4 mfrs: Yamaha and Buffet probably (just my guess) make high end mpcs. I think people traditionally throw away these and replace them with their own off the shelf mpc (unless you are a rank beginner).
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Author: C2thew
Date: 2007-05-23 05:50
well i suppose it was a little restrictive in a sense that stock mouthpieces that come packaged with clarinets are limited to the level of the clarinet itself i.e. getting a opus II with a eddie daniels mouthpiece is waaaaaay better then a vito stock mouthpiece.
one thing i did pick up on that my private teacher echoed was the vandoren m13 mouthpiece. he recommended that to me too. i suppose the m13's and m15's are pretty big hitters.
Our inventions are wont to be pretty toys, which distract our attention from serious things. they are but improved means to an unimproved end, an end which was already but too easy to arrive as railroads lead to Boston to New York
-Walden; Henry Thoreau
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2007-05-23 05:53
If "stock" means mouthpiece that comes with the horn, I'd say the mouthpiece that came with the Lyrique (which is a Tom Ridenour mouthpiece).
If "stock" mouthpiece means coming off a production line without additional/personal touchups, then I'd say of the ones I've tried, I was most impressed with the Vandoren M30. Paired with a slightly softer reed than what I was used to (paired with a V12 3 instead of 3.5 like my other mouthpieces), it played EXTREMELY well, and there was little variance between the three that I tried.
Alexi
US Army Japan Band
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2007-05-23 11:47
When a beginner jams the mouthpiece into the wall, his/her parents want something inexpensive and reliable. The ideal replacement is the plastic Yamaha, which goes for about $20. It's consistent, plays quite well and is available everywhere.
Ken Shaw
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Author: GBK
Date: 2007-05-23 11:57
The stock mouthpiece (Gennusa GE*S) which comes with the Forte clarinet is excellent...GBK
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Author: Iceland clarinet
Date: 2007-05-23 16:39
Sorry maybe I'm misunderstanding but why are people talking about Vandoren or Clark Fobes mouthpieces which don't come as standard with any new instrument(directly from the manufacture) ? I'm surprised that people are allowed to talk so much off the topic.
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Author: jmcgann
Date: 2007-05-23 17:08
Iceland clarinet wrote:
> Sorry maybe I'm misunderstanding but why are people talking
> about Vandoren or Clark Fobes mouthpieces which don't come as
> standard with any new instrument(directly from the manufacture)
> ? I'm surprised that people are allowed to talk so much off the
> topic.
Do any semi-pro to pro level players actually use, say, the mouthpieces that come stock with, say, the R13? Because the one that came with mine is a total POS beneath contempt (I am not even a semi-pro level player yet, but I could tell it was a Mouthpiece Shaped Object!)
www.johnmcgann.com
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2007-05-23 17:47
Iceland,
"I'm surprised that people are allowed to talk so much off the topic." Sometimes we are and sometimes we aren't.
HRL
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2007-05-23 18:21
Iceland clarinet wrote:
> Sorry maybe I'm misunderstanding but why are people talking
> about Vandoren or Clark Fobes mouthpieces which don't come as
> standard with any new instrument(directly from the manufacture)
> ?
Depends on your definition of "stock" ... I play on a "stock" Richard Hawkins. Neither Richard nor anyone else did anything to customize it to me, so I consider it "stock".
We could use the "stock car" definition of "stock", which allows almost everything to be custom ...
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Author: Dano
Date: 2007-05-23 22:05
I suppose stock or off the shelf means a great mouthpiece that has had no customization and anyone could have purchased the same mouthpiece. In that case, I have to second sfalexi, that the mp that came with my Lyrique, a Ridenour MT36, is right on. I also have had a wonderful 20 years with an off the shelf Vandoren 5JB and a Mitchell Lurie Premium and a Runyon Jazz 7. I think that maybe there are more "off the shelf" mouthpieces that work well than there are those that need to be re-worked. Re-worked or resurfaced may sometimes mean a shot in the dark.
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Author: BobD
Date: 2007-05-24 12:21
"I just went back to my stock Portnoy BP02 tonight "
45:: 32-32:22-22:12-12:6-7
Vytas same but 43 tip
Just in case you lost your notes
Bob Draznik
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Author: BobD
Date: 2007-05-24 12:26
""The Vandoren M13 in the best stock mouthpiece available. "
Mine.....44 tip:: 38L-39R: 23-24:12-13:6-7
Bob Draznik
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Author: D Dow
Date: 2007-05-24 17:02
The Yamaha 4c which comes with most Yamaha clarinets is at the moment the best in tune and playable mouthpiece which comes with a clarinet. I find the Yamaha 5c to be quite nice as well.
David Dow
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2007-05-24 18:04
Draz,
You are too funny. I figured the "notes" got lost among your treasuures in the sub-basement.
HRL
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