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Author: debbie reid
Date: 2000-06-27 22:59
I bought a wooden clarinet made in Paris. I think it is from the 1940's. The name is hard to read. a repair guy told me it is Roberts, I'm not sure. I can't find anything on the net about roberts clarinets. anybody know anything?
help.
debbie
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2000-06-28 00:05
It probably is Robert, pronounced in French something like Ro bear. I have seen it on older clarinets, but don't know whether it is the maker's name or a "stencil" trade-name. Mark, can Langwill help? Don
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2000-06-28 02:21
Roberts is not listed as a Parisian maker in Langwill; the 2 listed look more to be either a bassoon maker or brasswinds.
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Author: debbie reid
Date: 2000-06-28 04:57
not sure how this bulletin board works.....asking anyone else is they have heard of Roberts clarinets, old wooden, with Paris engraved on it too. what does "stencil names" mean?
debbie
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Author: Joris van den Berg
Date: 2000-06-28 09:16
A stencil name is one that is only used for trading. eq. The Buffet E-11 isn't truely a Buffet, but a Schreiner. Schreiner builds the instruments and it is sold under the name Buffet. If Buffet wouldn't be also building instruments themselves, it would have been a stencil name.
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2000-06-28 13:53
Thanks, Joris: Debbie, I was in a hurry, should have defined my terms, I'm sure Mark et al can also add comments. To me, its a good-sounding name applied to[stencilled on] an instrument or other sale-goods which doesn't reveal the actual manufacturer and may not even reveal the marketer. Sometimes the only trace-back may be in a serial number [if any!]. Mark's Langwill dictionary often does help the searches. Don
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Author: David Spiegelthal
Date: 2000-06-28 14:13
I've seen a few Robert clarinets floating around, and I believe "Robert" is the name of an importer, and there's no good way to tell who actually manufactured the instrument. Similar instruments with importer's names on them are "A. Fontaine", "M. Lacroix", "P.X. Laube", "Carl Fischer", etc.
In contrast, a "stencil" instrument is manufactured by one company and marketed with the logo/label/stamp/stencil of another instrument company (as opposed to a mere importer); a good example is the American Linton company, many of whose clarinets were actually made by Robert Malerne in Paris. Joris is almost correct about the Buffet E-ll, it's actually made by "Schreiber", not "Schreiner" (the Ernst Schreiber company in Germany, who also make a very good bassoon, I'm told. Also, an offshoot of their instrument company is ESM, which makes very decent mouthpieces --- I have one of their bass clarinet mouthpieces and it plays well).
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