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Author: Roger Aldridge
Date: 2007-04-13 22:06
How I wish Vandoren made a Klassik ligature for bass clarinet!
I'm getting pretty good results with the Pyne ligature. But, I'm not entirely comfortable with it yet...as I am with the Klassik on soprano clarinet and tenor saxophone.
Does anyone know of another pre-made string ligature for bass clarinet?
Thanks, Roger
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2007-04-14 02:59
Roger, try an inverted Bonade on bass clarinet, or the Vandoren "Masters' -- not string, but they both work well and are very convenient.
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Author: Roger Aldridge
Date: 2007-04-14 13:24
David,
Thanks for your reply. Answer -- Been there, done that.
I had been using a Masters on BC. Definitely a good lig! In fact, I discovered that it's one of the best ligatures for Legere reeds.
I used my Masters as a benchmark in comparing my overall playability to what I have now with the Pyne. There is a noticable improvement in tonal clarity & richness, response, and projection with the string ligature.
This is exactly what happened when I switched to a Klassik string ligature on soprano clarinet and tenor saxophone. The Klassik really brings out the ring in the sound of my '34 Buescher New Aristocrat. It's quite extraordinary. With a metal lig the ring is there but its kind of muted...not as vibrant.
I'm sold on string ligatures. I guess I just need more time to get used to the Pyne. It's performing well. I simply feel more comfortable with the design of the Klassik.
Roger
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2007-04-14 13:50
My "best" lig for my bass cl's Pomarico mps is a Mitchell Lurie, which holds the reed via 2 horizontal bands about an inch apart [vertically]. I also have one for Bb sop. Having the screws "on the back", their"grip" and playability is similar to a Bonade, IMHO, which I also like. Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: bob49t
Date: 2007-04-14 14:27
I'm playing on a fantastic Grabner m/p with the orig Buffet lig. This sounds great to me, but damn you Roger, you've got me back into EAM (Equipment Aquisition Mode) after many months of cold turkey.
So, any of you mid /eastern European BB colleagues got any tips for Roger and me, regarding the use of black shoes laces for ligatures ?
Wait a minute there could already be a thread on this. I'll look.
BobT
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Author: Roger Aldridge
Date: 2007-04-14 14:50
Bob,
Know the feeling!
You may know that I use Grabner mouthpieces on my clarinets. In fact, I've been telling Walter about the results I'm getting with using string ligatures on his mouthpieces.
I've been thinking about learning how to tie a string ligature. But, I'm now using string ligatures on 3 horns that I often play in doubling situations. The prospect of doing all of that wraping gives me the chills....especially, given that I was a cub scout dropout and didn't learn my knots. ha ha ha
Never the less, I've heard that the players who tie their string ligatures have learned to do it pretty quickly and easily.
Roger
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2007-04-14 14:51
Rovner, Viba-String and Giokas appear to make, or have made, this type of ligature, and a model is or was available called the Moy, in the same style as the Pyne. See my posting at http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=1&i=68353&t=68330. Unfortunately, only the third link appears to be current, and it lists only sax ligatures. However a baritone sax model might fit your bass clarinet mouthpiece.
Plain string is not difficult to use. A round shoelace works perfectly. For how to use it, see:
http://www.woodwind.org/clarinet/Uploads/strnglig.html
http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=1&i=3173&t=3090
The Spriggs Floating Rails ligature, http://www.pspriggs.com/, approaches the freedom of string. I'm not sure whether he makes it for bass clarinet.
John Moses uses the similar Francois Louis ligature http://www.music123.com/Ultimate-Ligature-by-Francois-Louis-i80332.music. Again, I'm not sure whether it's available for bass.
I like the Rovner Lite for clarinet and bass clarinet. It uses only two thin leather bands across the reed, and I find that this frees up response.
Ken Shaw
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Author: Roger Aldridge
Date: 2007-04-14 15:14
Thanks, Ken, for the links! I'll check them out. I'll see if I can learn how to tie a string ligature.
Sadly, I found FL and Spriggs ligatures are not a good match for Legere reeds. At least that's how it was in my experience. I used FL ligs on clarinet and saxophone very successfully for 4-5 years with cane reeds. But, when I switched to Legere a couple of years ago I had various problems with the small reed plate on the FL ligature providing enough sealing pressure (and in a large enough area) for a Legere reed. I encountered similar problems in trying a Peter Spriggs on Legere bass clarinet reeds. I have no doubt that it will be fine with cane. But, I've discovered that some otherwise excellent ligatures do not work well with Legere. I've had to do quite a bit of trial & error to find the particular mouthpiece facings and ligatures that give me a level of tonal quality and performance that I'm happy with in using Legere.
Roger
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