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Author: SVClarinet09
Date: 2007-04-05 16:06
I will be ordering a Bonade Inverted from Muncy in the next couple of days and I was wondering what the difference was between the cut-out and the regular inverted. Does the cut out provide more tone because the reed vibrates more? Does the silver plating provide tonal qualities in addition to security on the mouthpiece?
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Author: Fontalvo
Date: 2007-04-05 16:42
It doesn't seem to make that much difference in my humble opinion.
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Author: hartt
Date: 2007-04-05 17:04
In recent years, there have been numerous posts about this.
One post in particular gave the directions on how to make the cut out/bending.
(I'm 59 and my memory is fading fast but I think it was written by Ken Shaw)
search for Bonade lig, Inverted lig, etc
dennis
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2007-04-05 17:18
Dremel and cut off wheel, and a file....and you are done
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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Author: SVClarinet09
Date: 2007-04-05 17:29
well Muncy offers the cut-out so if I decide to get it, i will pay the extra 5bucks to get the cut out and not go through trouble to cut it out and risk messing it up
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2007-04-05 20:47
I've read that Marcellus used a cut-out Bonade.
It's important that the ribs inside the ligature lie flat on the bark of the reed. The Leblanc quality control is not great, and of course mouthpieces vary in diameter. You'll need two long-nose pliers to bend the outer bands to get the ribs flat. Also, you may have to bend the outer bands outside the rib area to make sure the bands don't touch the reed edges.
Ken Shaw
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Author: Sylvain
Date: 2007-04-05 20:56
And if you have a very wide mouthpiece like I do (Chadash-Hill), then you will find that flattening the rails and making sure the outer parts don't touch the edge of the reed is nearly impossible. After too much frustration with the bonade, I use Peter Spriggs floating rail when I don't need to switch clarinets fast and either a VD optimum or a Rovner in orchestral situations.
-S
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Sylvain Bouix <sbouix@gmail.com>
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Author: Bruno
Date: 2007-04-05 21:37
In your local hardware store you can buy a set of "Mini-files" (not expensive and you'll find a thousand uses for them. You can even play around changing the interior shape of old mouthpieces!), and use the straight flat one to file the two interior Bonade rails until they are perfectly flat throughout their entire length. You don't have to bend out the ligature to do it. Just place it upside down on a thick cloth or folded piece of chamois and smoothly file each rail. They're brass and it goes easy.
This is the only way to get a bright response from this troublesome ligature.
Additionally, flattening the rails will help prevent the ligature from slipping down toward the beak of the mouthpiece, a perennial problem with Bonade ligatures. And you really don't have to cut out the ligature. It won't make one iota of difference in the tone, volume, or response. But flattening the rails will! This is the secret with Bonades.
Another thing I do is to glue thin strips of cork about 1/8" wide (Duco Household Cement) inside the ligature opposite the rails (near the screws) - one on each side. Then it never will slip, and your mouthpiece won't get chewed up by the metal ligature.
Bruno/
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Author: Ed
Date: 2007-04-05 23:21
Silvain says " I use Peter Spriggs floating rail when I don't need to switch clarinets fast"
just keep the cork very well lubricated (the doctor's products greases are excellent for this) and keep the screw snug. Also try to grasp the mouthpiece as well as the lig and it works very easily.
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Author: C2thew
Date: 2007-04-06 05:59
Go with the Cut-Out bonade. The differences are super subtle, but a professional musician could definitely distinguish the sound difference between his original bonade and the gold inverted cut-out. he chose the cut out after playing his inverted bonade for most of his career.
The differences are super subtle kinda like fine wines. if you know what your looking for, you'll find what works best for you.
Our inventions are wont to be pretty toys, which distract our attention from serious things. they are but improved means to an unimproved end, an end which was already but too easy to arrive as railroads lead to Boston to New York
-Walden; Henry Thoreau
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Author: RAB
Date: 2007-04-06 12:09
I have used the cut out Bonad for over 35 years with great success, My teacher, Norman Baker With the Alanta Sym, started me on it and I have tried several others but I keep retuning to the cut out Bonade. If it slips you can have leather put on the inside or just use a thin mouthpiece patch on top of the mouthpiece and that will secure it to the mouthpiece.
If it ain't broke don't fix it!!!
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Author: ChrisArcand
Date: 2007-04-07 04:33
I would say the cut out Bonade gives a more "zingy" sound. No, not "bad", no, not "better". It's simply different. If you already have that quality in your playing, you may find that cutting out the middle gives you too much zing - not enough depth, etc. Then again, you may cut it out and find it the best thing ever. It's certainly more direct and diamondy.
Also, you guys need to stop fiddling around with trying to cut out the middle yourselves, or spending more money having it sent that way to you, and just go down to the local jewler and have them use their tools on it. 5 minutes, 2 bucks, no mess. :-)
CA
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