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Author: Barbara
Date: 2000-06-21 13:33
I was wondering if anyone knows E flat solos other than the witchy one at the end of Symphonie fantastique, which is the standard example and doesn't really show the nice side of this instrument. Also I read in Gramophone that Pletnev has made an arrangement of the Beethoven Violin Concerto for clarinet and recorded it for DG with Collins. Has anyone heard this or seen the score for this? I wonder what will happen if we start playing transposed concertos...
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Author: Brent
Date: 2000-06-21 13:48
Ever hear of "Till Eulenspiegel" by Dick Strauss?
Then there's the Shostakovich Symphonies--some very nice parts in the 5th and 6th. Ravel's Daphnes and the Bolero (that's two different works, BTW) as well (i believe) as the piano concerto.
This same discussion was had recently on the Klarinet list--you might check the archives. Or look at Peter Hadcock's book of eefer excerpts--if you have an Eb clarinet, you should have that book.
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Author: Frank
Date: 2000-06-21 16:19
As far as playing transcribed concerti: Every flautist that plays a Mozart "Flute" concerto is playing a transcribed piece. See, Mozart didn't write any flute concertos (he did write one for flute and harp) because he didn't like the flute. There's nothing wrong with playing transcribed works. You can get the Mozart Bassoon Concerto for bass clarinet, Bach Cello Suites for bass clarinet, etc...
Have a good one.
Frank
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Author: kai
Date: 2000-06-21 17:28
Frank,
Mozart didn't write any flute concertos?
Correct me if I am wrong I thought he wrote 2 flute concertos in addition to one for flute and harp.
One of the flute concertos is a controversial one because it 's also his oboe concerto. Question remains as to which one did he write it for first?
He didn't like the flute nevethelss, there are still beautiful works.
Regards
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Author: Frank
Date: 2000-06-21 19:17
I do believe that both of his "flute" concerti are actually oboe concerti. At least one is! And they have the same K. number. I'm afriad that's the extent of my Mozart-flute knowledge. If I'm incorrect, please correct me.
Frank
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Author: Jessica
Date: 2000-06-21 19:19
Brent gives a good list. Some additional pieces would be several of the Mahler symphonies, Stravinsky's Rite of Spring (actually a D clarinet part, usually played on Eb), and a cute little solo in Copland's El Salon Mexico which includes a gliss. The orchestral Eb literature is sparse, unfortunately.
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Author: Meri
Date: 2000-06-21 20:01
Barbara:
Yes, Collins did indeed perform a transcribed Beethoven violin concerto on clarinet--I heard it on CBC Radio 2 last week, in the early morning (around 7:30 am ET) However, I didn't like it that much, perhaps partly because of the way he plays it, partly because this work was never really suitable to be transcribed, or that it is a bad transcription.
Meri
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Author: mark weinstein
Date: 2000-06-21 21:32
Somebody correct me, but I thought I recently saw an Eb Clarinet Orchestral Excerpt Studies-type collection somewhere. Perhaps it was Luyben or Sheet Music Plus. mw
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2000-06-21 22:21
mark weinstein wrote:
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Somebody correct me, but I thought I recently saw an Eb Clarinet Orchestral Excerpt Studies-type collection somewhere. Perhaps it was Luyben or Sheet Music Plus. mw
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Take a look at Brent's posting.
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Author: Alphie
Date: 2000-06-21 23:16
Mozart did write two flute concertos in Mannheim 1778. In G major K.313 and D major K.314. However, the D major K.314 is the one that was originally an oboe concerto dated in 1777 in C major K3.271k. He wrote these concertos together with the three flute quartets for a rich amateur called Ferdinand de Jean. The original commission was 4 concerti and 6 quartets. When he didn't finish the work in time, he expressed in a letter to his father in an argument about the payment: "Moreover, you know that I become quite powerless whenever I am obliged to write for an instrument that I cannot bear". This is the root to the rumour that Mozart didn't like the flute. The quality of the music tells a different story.
Stravinsky's "The Rite of spring" is written for both D and Eb clarinets. You start on D and change before the first solo in octavs together with bass clarinet.
Alphie
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Author: Ken Shaw
Date: 2000-06-23 14:12
Alphie wrote:
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Mozart did write two flute concertos in Mannheim 1778. In G major K.313 and D major K.314. However, the D major K.314 is the one that was originally an oboe concerto dated in 1777 in C major K3.271k.
Alphie -
As I understand it, K. 313 never existed as anything other than a flute concerto. There is no Mozart-era version of K. 314 as an oboe concerto, but only as a flute concerto. However, the lowest note on the Mozart-era flute is D, while the oboe went down to C. Down a step from the flute version, K. 314 works perfectly on oboe. What clinches the argument is that in the flute version, the lowest notes in the string parts are A for the violins and D for the violas and cellos -- a step up from the bottom of the range of these instruments. Thus Mozart pretty clearly just copied out an earlier oboe concerto a step higher.
Best regards.
Ken Shaw
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Author: Bas de Wilde
Date: 2000-06-23 15:44
Adding some more beautiful E flat-parts to the list:
Stravinsky: The Firebird (D)
Stravinsky: Mavra (opera)(Eb)
Stravinksy: Violin concerto (Eb)
Prokofjev: Symphonies 5 & 6, Iwan (Eb)
Schostakowitsch: Symphonies 5,6,7,8 & 10 (Eb)
Adams: Chamber Symphony (Eb/Bb)
Schoenberg: Chamber Symphony (D/Eb)
Bernstein: Divertimento (last part solo Eb)
Bernstein: Symphonic dances from West Side Story (Eb)
R. Strauss: Symfonia domestica, Rosenkavalier etc.
Enjoy this music, written for the most beautiful clarinet of all clarinets: D & Eb
Bas
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Author: Alphie
Date: 2000-06-24 00:11
Ken
In 1777, when Mozart was still in Salzburg, he wrote an oboe concerto in C major for Giuseppe Ferlendis, principal oboe of the Salzburg orchestra. This work was long believed to be lost. However, in 1920 a sketch was found in Salzburg of 9 bars, (bars 51ff) that is believed to be an element of this concerto. The only documented performances of it from the time is Friedrich Ramm's, principal oboe of the Mannheim orchestra, in 1778. It is numbered K3.271k, since it's a rediscovery and not metioned in the original Köchel Catalogue but was added in the third edition by Alfred Einstein. The same year he reworked this concerto into a flute dito according to the commission that I discribed in the previous message.
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Author: Mark Weinstein
Date: 2000-06-24 05:28
Mark Charette said:
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Take a look at Brent's posting.
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Thanks, I did & ordered the Eb excerpt book from Luyben today. mw
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Author: robin
Date: 2000-06-24 14:56
There's some fun to be had with E flat in Britten's repertoire. Especially, the Symphonia Da Requiem and the Four Sea Interludes.
Robin
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Author: Jessica
Date: 2000-06-25 10:03
Also, there is a nice part in Respighi's Feste Romane. Big solo at the start of the fourth movement.
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