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Author: Amanda
Date: 2000-06-18 18:14
Where can I find a picture of the octave, soprano, tenor and baritone clarinet?
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2000-06-18 18:55
Soprano clarinets are the Bb and above until until you get to the Ab (known as the sopranino). There's no tenor, octave (????), or baritone clarinets; there's alto, bass, contrabass, and contraalto clarinets.
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Author: Dee
Date: 2000-06-18 19:26
The best to get good pictures is to order some of the catalogs from the mail order dealers. Just follow the menus at the bottom of the page.
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Author: Lelia
Date: 2000-06-18 21:15
For excellent pictures of the clarinets that *do* exist, check the library for _The Clarinet_ by Jack Brymer. I think it's no longer in print, but it was one of the good Yehudi Menuhin series of books on a variety of musical instruments. Brymer included some of the clearest pictures I've seen anywhere of most clarinets in history, including the bassets.
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2000-06-18 22:51
I agree with Lelia, Brymer is prob. the best, readily-available picture source short of museums, which might give some of the antiquated names. Rendall's books also have good pics. I have seen discussion re: what we call the bass cl, should be called tenor, and the bass term reserved for what we call the contras now. Could apply the baritone term to the contraalto similarly to oboe family [its a rarity, however]. As to octave, the rare Ab soprano[ino] is nearly an octave above, so ---. Prob. in our strange history someone has made an "octave Bb" [for very small fingers?]. In the books read about the early history from which our nomenclature derived [from vocal terms?]. Don
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Author: Kontragirl
Date: 2000-06-19 04:31
Let's see if I can remember this. Ab's, C, and D's are octave horns, Bb's and Eb's are sopranos, A basset horn is a tenor, and a bass is a baritone. Then you have another level lower, the bass which is contralto and contrabass. These are just examples off the top of my head, I'm 90% they're right.
I would try instrument dealers first (notably Yamaha and Selmer have nice pictures).
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2000-06-19 15:27
Kontragirl wrote:
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Let's see if I can remember this. Ab's, C, and D's are octave horns
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Where'd that come from? I never heard the term before.
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Author: Kontragirl
Date: 2000-06-19 18:20
I hadn't heard of the term either until I found a really cool website. Unfortuately, I can't find it now that I need it. Isn't that Murphy's Law?
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Author: Tobin Coleman
Date: 2000-06-19 19:00
Mark:
The site Kontragirl might be referring to is:
http://hem.passagen.se/eriahl/clarinet.htm
It lays out all the clarinets and references this:
"F. Geoffrey Rendall from his book on Ernest Benn Ltd 1971."
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2000-06-19 19:13
Thank you. If someone refers to "Octave" clarinets now I'll know, but those "families" aren't used in everyday parlance. When someone says "bass" I think of bass clarinet, not the "bass family" of contrabass clarinets :^)
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Author: Dee
Date: 2000-06-20 01:12
Mark Charette wrote:
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Thank you. If someone refers to "Octave" clarinets now I'll know, but those "families" aren't used in everyday parlance. When someone says "bass" I think of bass clarinet, not the "bass family" of contrabass clarinets :^)
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I believe Rendall is British also. That may be another reason we don't hear these terms much.
Also the list at this site is not annotated to show the obsolete instruments as they are in Rendall's book. For example the C, Bb, and G clarinets in the Octave group are obsolete, leaving only the Ab from this grouping. In the sopranino group, only the Eb and D remain. Only C, Bb, and A remain in the soprano group. And so on.
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Author: Eoin
Date: 2000-06-20 07:31
Rendall's list is interesting, but I don't see any reason to start calling an alto a tenor or a bass a baritone. The normal system used in singing, recorders and possibly other instruments is that Soprano is an octave above Tenor while Alto is an octave above Bass. Neither the normal clarinet naming scheme nor Rendall's system fit in with this, so let's just leave it alone.
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