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Author: Bassie
Date: 2007-02-21 12:30
I thought of this on another thread, and I'd so like an answer I thought I'd start a new topic.
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There are reeds for short-facing mouthpieces, and there are reeds for long-facing mouthpieces.
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I know V12 is advertised as a long-facing reed, but is there any truth in the matter, from people who've played a few varieties?
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Author: Iceland clarinet
Date: 2007-02-21 13:09
I don't like the V-12 on the medium short faced Grabner SW1-personal but it works on his medium faced AW-personal although I found in general V-12 better for even longer faced mouthpieces like Bay and Gonzalez FOF on Grabner that is Zinner based mouthpieces with medium to short facings. Grabner reccomends V-12 reeds for his SW1-personal mouthpiece but I don't find them work at all for that mouthpiece. Then I've tried Alexander superial Double cut and it is even longer faced than the V-12 and it only worked on BAY m-m and mo-l facings not on anything shorter.
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2007-02-21 14:00
I've really only used Vandoren standard cut #4 for EVERYTHING until recently. A good reed should serve any lay. It is how far you insert the mouthpiece into your mouth and the way you form your embouchure that determines what lay is more comfortable for the individual.
Lately, I have had greater success with the longer facing mouthpieces using the Vandoren 56 Rue Lepic reeds. I personally find this distressing since the extra cost will eventually bankrupt me but I love the combination, especially on my Vandoren M15 profile 88 Series 13.
............Paul Aviles
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Author: bufclar
Date: 2007-02-21 14:31
Grabners Chicago model has a closed tip and short facing and was designed to be used with V12 4 reeds. I don't think facing length makes and difference. A good balenced reed to any mouthpiece will be a good reed.
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Author: Sea Galan
Date: 2007-02-21 14:36
I have tried the V12 #3.5 with my 5RV Lyre 13 and found them very hard to use. At the moment I'm using the Lury #3 and they seem to work better for me. Although the do have tendency to have a very short squeel once in a while at the start of some notes. I'm planning to go to the music store and buying a box of V12 #3 and see if they work better. WW&WB claims that they are designed for the american sound. ?? ? What do you think?
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2007-02-21 14:50
My mouhtpiece has a facing length of 21.25mm is that long, short, medium? I use Vandoren V12 strength 3 reeds with this mouthpiece.
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Author: Bassie
Date: 2007-02-21 15:09
>WW&WB claims that they are designed for the american sound. ?? ? What do you think?
I get the feeling (as an ignorant brit) from browsing this site that the 'american sound' is all about long-lay, closed mouthpieces with hard reeds. Anyone?
>My mouhtpiece has a facing length of 21.25mm is that long, short, medium? I use Vandoren V12 strength 3 reeds with this mouthpiece.
21 sounds medium-long to me. They go from something like 16 to over 25, with around 19 as a middling value. Opinions on what number is what letter (SML) vary...
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Author: GBK
Date: 2007-02-21 15:38
Of the 2 different brands of Gonzalez reeds, the RC (Regular Cut) reeds have a scrape which starts higher up on the reed. Thus the vibrational zone is a bit smaller.
The Gonzalez FOF reeds have a longer scrape.
If you use a medium or medium short faced mouthpiece, the RC reeds seem to match well.
Since most younger players also tend to use mouthpieces which do not have a long facing, these reeds can be a good choice...GBK
Disclaimer - When Davie Cane was in existence, I was listed as an endorsee of Gonzalez reeds.
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Author: Iceland clarinet
Date: 2007-02-21 15:47
I don't know but my teacher who use Grabner KXZ_13 and 14 said that he's not suprissed that V-12 don't work very well on shorter facings like SW1 and Chicago mouthpieces. He in fact tried my SW1 and said it has too short facing for that reed but since I use FOF that facing works for me. It might be the fact that we played BAY prior to Grabner and they have longer facings. I can only give advice from my experience but I've done a lot of experiment with different length of lays and reeds and this is just what I feel.
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Author: claritoot26
Date: 2007-02-21 20:10
I agree with Paul in that the facing length is more related to how much mouthpiece you take in than what style of reed you use. As long as the cane is good and the reed is well-balanced to the mouthpiece, it should work for any facing length. However, it seems that a mouthpiece with a shorter lay will work better with a softer reed compared to a mouthpiece with a longer lay, although it might have more to do with the tip opening than the facing length, not sure. I don't know whether the traditional cut of Vandoren works better on some mouthpieces than V12 or not, I've just used V12 for so long.
Bassie: There are a wide variety of mouthpiece facings in use in American orchestras. The players I am most familiar with use harder thick blank (V12 style) reeds, but I'm told there are many who use softer reeds too. Anyone have a link to some kind of chart that lists mouthpieces and reeds used by prominent American orchestral clarinetists?
Lori
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Author: clockwiser
Date: 2007-03-05 19:11
A question for everyone, what's your recommended reeds that work well for Vandoren B45 mouthpiece?
I normally use tranditional Vandoren #2.5, at the moment I'm using
Rue Lepic #3. Other suggestions?
Thanks!
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Author: Bassie
Date: 2007-03-07 09:19
clockwiser -
I've just become a sudden and complete convert to Xilema ('professional', strength 'C') for my B45 dot. I guess if you're on 2.5 VanD you might need strength 'B'. (I have no affiliation to this company - just that their reeds work for me really really well.)
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Author: job_man
Date: 2007-03-07 21:33
Hello Bassie
I have it on good authority that the V12 VanDoren reeds are designed for the British style of playing, but the idea of the French making anything special for the British does seem to defy credibility.........
John
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Author: Bassie
Date: 2007-03-08 09:29
The British style of playing? I thought they were designed for the American style of playing (or is that even more unlikely? ;-D).
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