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Author: Fontalvo
Date: 2007-02-14 01:36
Hey, what tempo do you all think the mozart 1st movement should be played at??? I recenlty saw music that had it marked at 112???
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Author: voodoosausage
Date: 2007-02-14 01:43
well, sabine meyer plays it around 130 or 140, but then again she's sabine meyer. I think it's one of those "personal preference" things.
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Author: Detru Cofidin
Date: 2007-02-14 03:27
112 is a bit slow for me personally, but it's helpful to practice it at several different tempos, including around 100, because too many players sacrifice the classical feel and the element of Euphoria in that particular piece, for speed and accuracy.
Indeed, it's helpful to practice it WITH A METRONOME, and still play expressively, but don't just play it at one tempo all the time. I would say average bpm is around 116 to 120. It's all your own choice.
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Author: Koo Young Chung
Date: 2007-02-14 03:53
It seems that they(soloist,conductors in general) play music at an increasingly faster speed as if that prove them as better musician.
There are so many terrible examples.
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2007-02-14 07:20
I can't tell you what tempo exactly you should choose, but I can recommend that you choose a tempo with a reason behind it. It is best to find a tempo that fits best with how you decide to play this piece.
I don't know if Sabine Meyer double tongues it or not, but if I remember correct she has one of the fastest single tonguing.
Post Edited (2007-02-14 08:55)
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Author: bill28099
Date: 2007-02-14 10:38
My copyright 1943 (full of errors) Bellison/Fischer arrangement has it marked at 104
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Author: cigleris
Date: 2007-02-14 12:37
I personally perform it at around 110-120. The movement needs to be flexible, especially if your using a basset.
Peter Cigleris
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Author: Sylvain
Date: 2007-02-14 14:05
120 is the tempo that feels most natural to me.
-S
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Sylvain Bouix <sbouix@gmail.com>
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Author: Tobin
Date: 2007-02-14 17:31
Am I incorrect that Marcellus used to recommend it played at 126? That this tempo set the atmosphere for a certain "bubbliness" to the passages of the first movement?
James
(oops, fixed typs...I mean typo)
Gnothi Seauton
Post Edited (2007-02-14 19:27)
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Author: claritoot26
Date: 2007-02-14 18:50
Tobin,
I personally like 126, and I like it because of the bubbliness. I don't know what Marcellus recommended, but he's a great recording to listen to. I also really like the Harold Wright recording, partly because the faster tempo really gave some rhythmic drive to the accompaniment, and expressiveness was not sacrificed. I think that performance had good "note-grouping", the rhythmic eighth notes in the accompaniment always leading to the next bar. Detru is right, a metronome is essential with this piece, especially since there are lots of places where a long note is tied to a group of sixteenths in the next bar, and rhythmic accuracy really makes it come alive.
Lori
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Author: Fontalvo
Date: 2007-02-14 20:50
I know in the Peter Hadcock book. He says 126. I tried playing it at that speed but it seemed way too fast?
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Author: joeyscl
Date: 2007-02-15 02:41
"I don't know if Sabine Meyer double tongues it or not, but if I remember correct she has one of the fastest single tonguing."
I don't know how fast she can tongue, but it it said that Robert Spring can single tongue beyond 250+ BPM 16th notes...
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2007-02-15 02:50
wtfPwnage wrote:
> I don't know how fast she can tongue, but it it said that
> Robert Spring can single tongue beyond 250+ BPM 16th notes...
I'll ask Bob ...
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Author: Tobin
Date: 2007-02-15 04:00
Hey Joey,
I didn't time Bob when I met him...but if he can single tongue at 250BPM + then why did he learn to double and triple tongue as well as he can?
He made a point in the masterclass to show that his double tonguing was almost indistinguishable from his single.
James
Gnothi Seauton
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Author: bcl1dso
Date: 2007-02-15 04:13
Marcellus starts the first movement at a strict 120, however after the very first statement (ending at the d to e trill) he( the orchestra) relaxes to about 116ish.
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2007-02-15 04:14
"I don't know how fast she can tongue, but it it said that Robert Spring can single tongue beyond 250+ BPM 16th notes..."
When I saw him in a master class I think he could play 16th single tonguing around 200bpm, but I don't remember exactly. He could play 8th+two 16ths repeatedly around 240bpm I think. He could double tongue maybe faster than his single tongue. There was a tiny difference between his double and single, nothing ig but his single sounded slightly better. If I remember correct Sabine Meyer could tongue almsot as fast as Robert Spring, although their tonguing sounds very different.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2007-02-15 11:08
From Bob Spring:
"I can tongue the pattern, 8, two 16ths at 240. Straight 16ths -in groups of 8 at 176."
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Author: Tobin
Date: 2007-02-15 13:48
Thanks bcl1dso!
Thanks Mark!
James
Gnothi Seauton
Post Edited (2007-02-15 13:49)
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Author: rwmiller56
Date: 2007-02-17 14:58
I'm used to 130, because that is the tempo in the Music Minus One CD :-)
When I play it without MMO, however, I tend to like about 120-125.
Roger
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