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Author: Bob Gardner
Date: 2000-06-14 20:21
Received a buffet clarinet from a seller on ebay that said it was an R13. no where on the joints does it say r13. How can I be sure that it is what he says.
i check the web page and this horn was made in 1992 however they say that the r13 has an adjustable thumb rest. is this true of all horns?
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Author: Paul Lester
Date: 2000-06-14 20:38
Bob;
There is no R13 imprinted on a Buffet R13 clarinet. If the S/N falls within the group of numbers listed in the IMS catalog for 1992, it should be an R13. The adj. thumb rest is a recent change for Buffet. I'm not sure when it occured, but I have an R13 "A" made in 1991 and it doesn't have an adj. thumb rest.
Does you new EBay horn require an overhaul?
Cheers,
Paul
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Author: Bob Gardner
Date: 2000-06-14 20:41
thanks for the info. so far so good.
I think it will require some adjustment. The keys on the lower joint are sticking.The pads look ok , but can't tell until we hit them with a light.
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Author: Contragirl
Date: 2000-06-15 15:51
I got my R13 in 1997-1998 and it didn't have an adjustable thumb rest, they came out in 1998-1999. My friend got a brand new one that has the thumb rest. It does have R13 on every joint too.
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Author: Bob Gardner
Date: 2000-06-15 19:46
Mine does't have r13 anywhere on the horn. However every one I checked with says there are not model numbers on the r13. This one was made in 1992 so no adjustable thumb rest.
Thanks for the feedback
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Author: mark weinstein
Date: 2000-06-15 20:18
Bob - the barrel to an R-13 should have a numeric stamp into the wood (of a "stock" R-13 barrel, that is) of 1131-66. The 1131 number is the Buffet's model number for the R-13 & 66 is the length in mm of the barrel. <Of course its possible that the former owner went to a 3rd party barrel like chadash, pyne etc.> I enjoy my R-13. Best of luck with yours. mw
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2000-06-15 20:40
Mark - barrels on clarinets are changed and replaced so often as to be of little or no (and in worst cases misleading) indicators of the model.
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Author: Bob Gardner
Date: 2000-06-15 21:34
i read somewhere that only the two major joints are shipped as a unit and that the barrel and bell are added over here and put into a case. True or untrue I don't know.
Thre were no marking on my barrel.
I had a tec. check out the horn and except for a few minor adjustment (replace a couple of pads and adjust a couple of keys) he loved the horn.
he wants to play my fountain and r13 side by side to see what he loves the most. He says th r13 will have to go a long way to beat or match the LaBlanc Fountain.
By the way the only way to tell a fountain is by the marking on the bell.
maybe Ford or GMC should forget model names and let us figure it out for ourselves.
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Author: mark weinstein
Date: 2000-06-16 16:42
Mark Charette said:
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"....... barrels on clarinets are changed and replaced so often as to be of little or no (and in worst cases misleading) indicators of the model.
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Please re-read what I wrote I think for the most part we are saying the SAME thing. (e.g. I said in my posting "of a "stock" R-13 barrel, that is")
As I noted, the R-13 comes with a specially marked barrel; stamped into the wood of the barrel is the Buffet Model # 1131 and the length of the barrel, 66mm.
If this has changed, it has been changed VERY recently. I was in a Brook Mayes store and confirmed this information yesterday on 2 R-13's which were on display. (Of course, I have know way of knowing the exact age of their stock.) I own (4) R-13's presently which were manufactured in the 1990's; 319,xxx, 340,xxx, 418,xxx and a 426,xxx --- I also have the original barrels that came with all of these and they are marked as I have noted. " 1131-66M "
NOW, my daughter plays an R-13 which is of 1972 vintage and its barrel is not marked in this same manner. Ditto to a 30,xxx model I have from 1949-1950. In fact, the latter barrel has no markings whatsoever.
Hope that clarifies what I was saying .... mw
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2000-06-16 16:49
mark weinstein wrote:
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Mark Charette said:
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"....... barrels on clarinets are changed and replaced so often as to be of little or no (and in worst cases misleading) indicators of the model.
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Please re-read what I wrote I think for the most part we are saying the SAME thing. (e.g. I said in my posting "of a "stock" R-13 barrel, that is")
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No, we are not saying the same thing at all. Many people <b>get rid of</b> their stock barrels and buy an Accubore, Chadash, whatever barrel. The Buffet barrel ends up in a drawer or stuck on a totally different clarinet. That's what I'm talking about. A Buffet barrel is meaningless by itself in identifying a clarinet; only the upper and lower joints can really identify it.
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Author: mark weinstein
Date: 2000-06-16 17:27
Mark Charette said:
-------------------No, we are not saying the same thing at all. Many people get rid of their stock barrels and buy an Accubore, Chadash, whatever barrel. The Buffet barrel ends up in a drawer or stuck on a totally different clarinet. That's what I'm talking about. A Buffet barrel is meaningless by itself in identifying a clarinet; only the upper and lower joints can really identify it.
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Sorry ... I was attempting to be agreeable.
For the record:
While many R-13 barrels provided by the Buffet remain with the R-13, many are changed out. I acknowledged that originally. However, when these stock R-13 barrels are placed in drawers, they are very often placed BACK in the R-13 case when they are sold. AND, more often than not, the replacement barrel is retained by the seller. That is my experience.
If the barrel that comes with an R-13 is marked 1131-66M this stands as confirmation, in addition to serial number check,of the model #. (to be exact the stamp is BC1131-66M) NOw, if you don't have a Buffet barrel, it won't show this marking. Accubore barrels don't have Buffet model numbers engraved ... nor do barrels made by Fobes, Springer, Pyne, Scott, Chadash, Spriggs, etc.
If you wish to IGNORE or DISCOUNT this info, I'm agreeable to that too. Hwoever, my posting is correct, factual, and may be relied upon ... it canNOT be refuted _accurately_. I've bought & sold my share of R-13's & I speak from **my** experience.
:>)
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Author: Bob Gardner
Date: 2000-06-16 18:09
go get them guys. I'm going to keep the one I just purchased with or without barrel markings. i want to thank you for your feedback; it helped me to make my decision.
Bob
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Author: mark weinstein
Date: 2000-06-16 18:25
An R-13 setup properly is a pleasure & a delight. The same goes for other professional-level clarinets like Selmer, Yamaha, & Leblanc. Once the quality is experienced, one becomes "spoiled". As we "chatted" about barrels, I would pass on that I am partial to the Scott barrels because they tune well for **me**. The price is certainly hard to beat. I paid $35.00 for mine @ Muncy. ( I just bought one for my Eb) Robert Scott makes his "poly" barrel with Buffet in mind. I can't wait to go to ClarinetFest and see the exhibits with all the equipment & accessories. Talk about a candy store ...
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2000-06-16 18:57
mark weinstein wrote:
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If you wish to IGNORE or DISCOUNT this info, I'm agreeable to that too. Hwoever, my posting is correct, factual, and may be relied upon ... it canNOT be refuted _accurately_. I've bought & sold my share of R-13's & I speak from **my** experience.
:>)
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Barrels are not contraindicators of the make; but as indicators I rank them with cases for accuracy.
Mark C.
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Author: mark weinstein
Date: 2000-06-16 19:31
Actually, cases are very important when looking at a used clarinet like an R-13. The case, if in decent working condition, can be indicative of how the former owner treated the clarinet. It may also be an indication of how much use the instrument has had. Of course, its possible that what looks like an original case, might NOT be. Stores like IMS and Muncy swap out original cases all the time for FEL/Orly, BAM & other cases. mw
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