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Author: Chris P
Date: 2007-02-06 15:27
ME (with BOTH hands up)!
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2007-02-06 15:32
Both hands up here too -- left hand for the thin, original type (for penetrating thin cracks in wood); right hand for the more viscous gel-type superglue for bonding key corks to keywork. And both hands (stuck) together when I get some on my fingers (drat!)
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Author: C2thew
Date: 2007-02-06 15:35
I'm all for super glue, but you have to be very careful especially on wood as the glue bonds to it so well that its almost impossible to remove.
i'd give it a 1.5 thumbs up/2
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Author: Bob Phillips
Date: 2007-02-06 15:51
Great stuff
I use it in the shop for "right now" assembly of small parts. I can avoid the wait time that other adhesives require.
Bob Phillips
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Author: Ed
Date: 2007-02-06 16:04
For some reason (I never know why) it seems as if most of the time I use Superglue it never holds what I need it to hold and usually just end up glueing something I don't want glued (most often my fingers!). Maybe I am using it for the wrond applications. Yet, I still continue to attempt it.
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Author: Terry Stibal
Date: 2007-02-06 16:09
As in most adhesive situations, careful surface preparation will usually eliminate such problems. Pay attention during the prep work and the final assembly will go well.
When I superglue something, I first degrease the something's components with the best solution for the job. With plastic, it might be a cleaner like 409 (brand name) followed by an ample rinse job; with metal it might be a wipe down with acetone or MEK.
Only then is it time to make the magic drop hit the joint. Bingo, good bonds every time!
leader of Houston's Sounds Of The South Dance Orchestra
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2007-02-06 16:29
Yup - Its good for some jobs, I choose from a variety of adhesives, based on material, longevity/ solubility in common solvents, heat softening etc. By the way, as it prob. says on the tubes, its best to NOT inhale that funny smell given off when it polymerizes. Its HCN, hydrogen cyanide, better known as an execution gas !! Be careful. Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2007-02-06 16:34
I use methylated spirits as a degreaser (before using any adhesive), but I do have to let it fully vapourise before using superglue otherwise it makes the glue go off before contact, and then it all has to be cleaned up and started again.
I used to use trichlorethane as a degreaser, but meths is easier to buy off the shelf, and less harmful.
And there's nothing like using wood dust and superglue to build up a chipped tonehole, or fill any other holes with - such as the screw holes left when moving a thumbrest, filling the holes left after pinning a crack, crack filler, chipped tenons, etc.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Bob A
Date: 2007-02-06 16:43
Heck, I even used it to glue a TOOTH back into my upper plate--it popped out when I dropped it.
Bob A
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2007-02-06 16:50
I've used it to glue up accidental scalpel or razor cuts in my fingertips.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: skygardener
Date: 2007-02-06 17:05
when one says 'I use it so much it's in my blood' it might be true this time.
I am also finding that superglue is more and more useful everyday. For 'solid' tools, I think teflon tape is a great 'universal' too.
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Author: stevesklar
Date: 2007-02-06 17:52
Chris - look up .. i think your hands are glued together.
I used the various types for various fixes too .. except maybe as a false skin.
I still use contact cement for cork installs though
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Author: susieray
Date: 2007-02-06 18:27
I use it to glue heel cracks in the summer when I wear flip-flops a lot and my feet get really dry.
Sue
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Author: bandman
Date: 2007-02-06 19:22
I agree with everyone about super glue. It is great stuff for repairing cracks and chips along with some wood dust.
So one hand the air and the other hand holding the super glue remover. lol
Bye the way, a quick hello to susieray
Frank
Retired Repairman
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2007-02-06 19:29
Great for hangnails on cuticle rips.
Great for ceramic pots.
Works on corks.
I would put my hands up, as you requested, but they seem........ooooops.
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2007-02-06 19:38
I secure key posts from unscrewing with PVA.
I secure screws with loctite.
I glue wood with a good wood glue (animal glue or water resistant PVA).
I glue metal-on-metal with 2 component epoxy, when soldering is impossible.
I use contact glue for corks.
I use hot-melt glue for pads.
I don't use anything if it's not necessary.
For everything else, there's <drum roll> Superglue! <fanfare>
(and for reeds, use cable tie-wrap)
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Ben
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Author: JJAlbrecht
Date: 2007-02-06 19:58
Ben, have you considered using super glue in place of a ligature??? ![[wink]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie3.gif)
Jeff
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2007-02-06 20:06
Jeff,
I plan to use tie-wrap, just for kicks. Because, while the reed's on, I can't swab my mouthpiece. Besides, I doubt superglue will survive the weekly dishwasher treatment...
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Ben
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Author: William
Date: 2007-02-06 20:17
Both hands down. I used super glue on a ceramic coffee mug and got a lap full of hot coffee a week later. Also, my fingers always become stuck together.
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Author: BobD
Date: 2007-02-06 21:17
Another vote for the hangnail fix. I have heard that some guitar players regularly do their finger tips with it.
Bob Draznik
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Author: GBK
Date: 2007-02-07 00:29
From Japan to Kalamazoo,
For the classics to Blink 182,
The verdict is clear.
Not subtle or austere,
Want it to stick? Use Super glue.
But then, Why not duct tape?
It can hold an angular shape.
But, this debate's becoming a bore,
There are choices and choices galore.
Me? I choose a Cabernet Sauvignon grape.
 ...GBK
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Author: BG ★2017
Date: 2007-02-07 00:40
A man we know as GBK
Owns many a horn from Buffet
But what no one knew
Is that his pads all hold super glue
Yet his playing is great, so what the hey!
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2007-02-07 01:47
Unless you play the slide trombone
please prep the parts with acetone
or slide they will! and come apart
to break your wallet and your heart.
For glue can't stick to greasy stuff
like oily wood, or cork that's rough
unless a solvent you apply
to leave the surface clean and dry.
Seu Perr Ghleughmann
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Author: ginny
Date: 2007-02-07 02:00
Superglue
I have always assumed it must be soup, as I could never get it to work as glue.
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Author: Gordon (NZ)
Date: 2007-02-07 04:01
The evaporated form is also used in forensics, in a process for highlighting fingerprints - in an approriate fume chamber!
Post Edited (2007-02-07 04:02)
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Author: Wes
Date: 2007-02-07 07:31
Where I always discarded a cracked oboe reed, I now repair them with super glue. Excess glue is scraped off the exterior and the interior of the cracked blade after it dries.
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Author: Bartleby
Date: 2007-02-07 08:19
Superglue is alright, Chris, but it's not a patch on nine pints of Guinness.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2007-02-07 10:04
"Superglue is alright, Chris, but it's not a patch on nine pints of Guinness."
Were you with us in Aberystwyth?
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: mk
Date: 2007-02-08 23:06
have you ever used Gorilla glue? ...made from gorilla intestines from what i'm told....
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Author: susieray
Date: 2007-02-09 00:17
Gorilla glue is great stuff but it would suck for use on clarinets, it expands as it sets up.
Yeah, right. Gorilla intestines. ![[right]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie8.gif)
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2007-02-09 00:26
susieray wrote:
> it expands as it sets up.
That's a rather strange thing for a glue to do. Normally the evaporation of the solvent causes shrinking. What would cause the expansion in that case?
(I just need an explanation for my 9yo - she asks all kinds of questions and I don't want to say "Idunno, ask Mum" all the time)
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Ben
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Author: susieray
Date: 2007-02-09 00:37
Ben, I'm not sure why it expands, maybe the scientists on the
board will know. I have seen it in action though; you wet the
surface to be glued first, then apply a very small amount of glue
before clamping. If you use too much glue, you will have a lot
oozing out, and it is very hard to remove once it's dried.
Check out FAQ #5:
http://www.gorillaglue.com/faqs.htm
Post Edited (2007-02-10 23:14)
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Author: Lelia Loban ★2017
Date: 2007-02-09 13:04
One place *never* to use either Super Glue or Gorilla Glue is on pads. Pads need for the glue to stay soft enough, long enough, to move them around a little and make sure they're correctly seated. I've bought several flea market clarinets with new-looking pads Super Glued in (I think the flea market dealers did the deed to try to make these clarinets look playable when they're certainly not!--because the pads, no doubt bought as sets from a local music store, didn't even fit the instruments) and have have to dig out the pads, destroying them in the process, and go to quite a bit of trouble to clean the dried glue out of the key cups. I prefer contact cement for corks (they're easier to remove to change them next time) and I use old-fashioned hot-melt pad glue for the pads.
Lelia
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2007-02-09 13:22
If you've worked on a B&H clarinet or oboe that hasn't been serviced or repadded since it left their factory, the chances are you'll find the pads have been put in with Evo-Stik and won't budge when it comes to re-seating them - or they fall out when you try to move them after warming the pad cups to shift them. Even on their flagship model, the 1010 had it's pads (usually Gordon Beeson leather pads on these) stuck in with Evo-Stik.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: b.roke
Date: 2007-02-09 19:49
inspired by this thread i tried superglue in a couple of situations. several surface cracks in a very old buffet in the barrel and top joint and one in an E&S at the top of the lower joint going into the 1st tonehole.
miraculous! after a bit of a scratch with a blade to remove excess and a rub with 1200 grit sand paper they are gone. i can see the area where they were, perhaps buffing would get rid of the slight dullness, but no sign of crack or repair. if i had bought the instruments like this i would not have seen that they had been repaired.
i guess that cracks that go the whole way through do not respond so effectively - otherwise there would be no cracked clarinets for sale!
steadfastness stands higher than any success
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2007-02-09 21:50
My old Selmer CT has a crack in the top joint that goes right through to the bore, and as far as the lower of the two trills. It's superglue that has held it tight (and a couple of pins) since 1987 and it's still sound and bottle tight when vacuum tested to this day. I also bushed the smaller toneholes using superglue to stick the (PVC) bushes in with, and none of them have moved, and I did that back in 2001.
I've got an old Cabart oboe I'm rebuilding for myself, and the bottom joint socket has been smashed, and there are at least four cracks running down the joint. I've taken the socket lining out and cleaned up the 'repair' as it was repaired with shellac (!), clamped it tight and ran thin superglue into the empty socket and the cracks, and it's doing a good job. But I will have to pin it as well - so yet another application of superglue (and wood dust) to fill the hole milled into it where the pin goes.
Another case was with the old R13 Eb I bought off eBay which had a cracked barrel from top to bottom - glued, pinned and filled - all with superglue. The bell was split at the socket and that's now superglued up and the socket ring is holding it all tight.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2007-02-09 21:55
Chris,
...do you buy that stuff by the barrel or are you still humbly fumbling with tiny tubes?
--
Ben
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2007-02-09 22:54
It's best in tiny tubes as large bottles tend to thicken up after a while after they've been opened.
And I use tiny tubes as they're easier to use.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: BobD
Date: 2007-02-10 10:05
Aha, Chris, you may have enlightened Ben a bit. I agree on the tiny tubes mainly because of the "aging" problem with stored cyano.
Bob Draznik
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2007-02-10 13:33
I agree on the age/throw away problem, I try to "save-up" glue work like now with several slightly cracked [old] Selmer barrels, several with "wings" on the logo. Have wondered if mild temp is the cause of the polymerization, dont see how O2 or H2O could leak in !! Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: mk
Date: 2007-02-11 00:58
super glue aged?......thought that was only true for good bottles of wine
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Author: hans
Date: 2007-02-11 22:53
I was on a trip (to Jamaica - I have a 7 pound sun tan) for the last 2 weeks and a travel companion broke the hinge of her eyeglasses. Fortunately my wife had packed some superglue and I was a hero when I was able to make the repair :-))
A chemist friend tells me that a little moisture makes it more reactive. My dentist says it's not very safe as a tissue glue because it's mutagenic.
IMO it's indispensable.
Hans
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