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Author: Mike Clarinet
Date: 2007-02-06 13:12
Anybody got any suggeststions for an easy way to finger lower register C# to D# trill? (And clarinet register G# to A# trill - the same but a twelfth higher)
Thanks in advance
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2007-02-06 13:15
Play C# (xxxC#|ooo) and trill with the side Eb/Bb key.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
Post Edited (2007-02-06 13:15)
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Author: Tobin
Date: 2007-02-06 14:01
Hello,
The G#-A# trill can be done by fingering G# and lifting the first finger of your left hand.
I've never tried this without the register key...but you could and let us know how it goes.
James
Gnothi Seauton
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Author: William
Date: 2007-02-06 14:03
Also,
Play C#/G# T (R) XXXC#(G#)|OOO and trill lh first finger
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2007-02-06 14:11
For us lucky to have the forked Bb mechanism fitted, the trill is done by trilling LH2.
On some B&H clarinets they have a linkage from the C#/G# key that holds down the 2nd finger ring, so again the trill can be done by playing C#/G# and trilling LH2 only.
This is easy enough to fit to a standard 17/6 clarinet - a link is soldered onto the upper bridge key and makes contact with the cup arm of the C#/G# key (with the bevel filed smooth so it doesn't chew through the silencing material on the link) and opening the C#/G# key closes the ring key pad.
B&H have the linkage on the C#/G# key which lifts the link from below on some of their clarinets.
I tried this out on a Selmer 10S I once had - I superglued a matchstick to the bridge key which sat above the C#/G# key cup arm, and it worked well. So a permanent version in metal, hard soldered in place (and maybe with an adjusting screw fitted) can only work better. It's simple enough to do.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: stevesklar
Date: 2007-02-06 14:19
did i read match stick somewhere ?? do you light it before playing, or does your playing spontaneously combust it to light ? ... man he must be a good player.
here's a page with all your trill desires and then some
http://www.wfg.woodwind.org/clarinet/cl_tr2_1.html
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2007-02-06 14:22
> did i read match stick somewhere ??
I only read superglue...that did it.
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Ben
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2007-02-06 14:31
For the C#/D# playing C# and trilling with the side D# key sounds best, althoug obviously a little flat. Trilling with first finger doesn't work (it gives a stuffy E).
For the G#/A# the side A# gives a clear sound but very flat, almost 1/4 tone flat (ok for trill). The first finger trill gives a stuffy but more in tune and very beautiful sounding A#! I really like the uniqe sound in this trill and that's what I would use here.
This is all on a Buffet R13 clarinet.
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2007-02-06 15:47
If I have time to prepare, I can slide and angle my left index finger down far enough to cover the hole and also hold down the pad attached to the middle finger ring. The D# is still flat, though.
It's better to use the side key. Do the first D# with the regular (trill key) fingering, which will establish the correct pitch in the listeners' ears.
In general, it's better to have a trill that's too wide instead of too narrow. The existence of the ornament is as important as the pitch. It should be possible to hit the the second (throat F#) trill key without hitting the lower one. This will produce a slightly wide trill. I've had the second trill key bent slightly up (with a thicker cork on the bottom) in order to be able to do this.
Make sure the low C# key is opening far enough. Francois Kloc says it's almost always too low. You should be able to play a low E, open the key and get a multiphonic. If you can't, open the key up until you do. Then do the same thing on low F, F#, G and G#. When you do this, there will be more venting for the D# in the trill.
Ken Shaw
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Author: Mike Clarinet
Date: 2007-02-07 13:04
I tried your various suggestions and Chris P's suggestion works best, although the Eb is a bit flat. I tried playing middle C# and wiggle l/h 1st finger, but that was far too sharp - sounded more like a minor 3rd than a tone. This was true in both registers. I tried Ken's 2nd trill key, but found it very difficult, and also hideous tuning.
I play a Buffet RC - I don't have the fancy stuck-on bits that Chris was suggesting on B&H or Selmers.
I think I will stick with R/H Eb key as this gave the best of a not very good set of results.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2007-02-07 13:17
I use the side Eb/Bb key for a C-D or G-A trill as well as it's easier than trilling LH3.
So play C or G (xxx|ooo) and trill with the side Eb/Bb key.
This is where clarinets have an advantage over most instruments - the side keys can do a lot more things than what some people consider their sole intention is (if they even use them - most are redundant!) - they're underestimating the usefulness of them by sticking to basic fingering charts and wonder why they're having trouble.
Find an easy way round things and use it in your normal everyday playing - if it makes things easy and makes the right noises then it's always a good thing.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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