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Author: Escsrc
Date: 2007-01-04 16:55
Hey all, a question for any one who knows the antiques: when did Buffet start to move away from the wrap-around style of speaker key? Is there any model that specifically was known for having/not having it at any time? Just curious. It came up when we were identifying a clarinet which was so grimy that we couldn't catch the serial numbers, and though that issue is solved, the register key still intrigues me...
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2007-01-04 18:49
I think most manufacturers went from the wraparound to the 'underslung' register key ca. 1910-20, about the same time the Boehm-system instruments began to displace Albert-system clarinets. I could be off by a decade or two, though. There was nothing unique about the design, with respect to Buffet or any other manufacturer.
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Author: bill28099
Date: 2007-01-04 19:10
My newest Buffet with a wrap around speaker key is 1920, my oldest is a 1904 However, I have seen Buffets of that era with normal speaker keys.
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2007-01-04 21:36
Take a damp toothbrush and scrub the crud out of the serial number. They stamped them very light in those days.
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Author: Terry Stibal
Date: 2007-01-05 01:19
My Amati Oehler horn has the wrap-around key and it was produced in 2002. I've used on them on various Albert and Boehm instruments over the years, and have never had a problem with one. A little more complicated as far as adjustment, but it does remove the need for a register key tube.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2007-01-05 11:01
My Yamaha Oehler's speaker bush still gets the gurgles! I thought they weren't meant to suffer condensation trouble being located where they are, but for whatever reason (even when warm!) it still gets water in it.
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Author: Terry Stibal
Date: 2007-01-05 14:15
You're just too moist. Probably from holding back all that time when playing hotboys and sechlike...
I, on the other hand, have the opposite problem. In the old days, I used to condense out buckets of moisture when playing baritone or bass clarinet, enough that it would interfere with the bore of the bass if I did not periodically empty it out.
Since the onset of Type II diabetes, that's all a thing of the past. Once the disease was under control of the appropriate medications, my body started "drying up" to the point that my mouth was virtually bone dry. (Other areas were similar: little sweating under hot conditions, dried up fecal matter (sorry), dried out eyes and nose, in fact everything save the urine flow.)
However, thanks to a Japanese drug firm and their proprietary compound Evoxac (costing out retail at about $5.00 a capsule, three times a day), I virtually drool all of the time. A little clumsy at times (I've toyed with cutting back the dose to 3/4s of a capsule, but haven't been able to get a good way to subdivide them), but no more dry mouth problems.
Prior to Evoxac, I was so dry that I could not play the bassoon for more than ten seconds before my mouth would lose the seal around the reed. As bassoon playing is not amiable to taking sips of water every three bars, that was a major problem. Now, I've got the moisture to spare. Want to borrow some?
leader of Houston's Sounds Of The South Dance Orchestra
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Post Edited (2007-01-05 14:23)
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Author: cuscoclarinet
Date: 2007-01-10 01:48
A little off topic (hey Terry started it) but in response to Terry's coment:
"I used to condense out buckets of moisture when playing baritone or bass clarinet, enough that it would interfere with the bore of the bass if I did not periodically empty it out"
I had a similar problem while playing bass clarinet so I took a bold step (with a spare bell) and soldered a water valve to the u-tube similar to those on brass instruments. It didn't effect the tone, even on those occasions that I opened it with my toe while playing!
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Author: Terry Stibal
Date: 2007-01-10 04:15
Doesn't Buffet provide a lower neck key for draining the moisture off in their current offerings?
On my bass, the ullage never gets past the bottom of the crook. Never had any significant amount run down the bore of the horn.
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Author: Mark P
Date: 2007-01-10 12:56
I have a Downbeat magazine from 1936 with a Buffet ad for clarinets and at that time it looks like you could still get either a straight or wrap around register key.
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Author: Terry Stibal
Date: 2007-01-10 14:44
Another thought:
Maybe the putative spit key wasn't that at all. Perhaps your friend was into quarter tone music and that was his "between Eb and E" key...
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