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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2006-12-15 20:42
...but did anyone in here try a clarinet mouthpiece with a brass instrument?
I just had a weird idea.
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Ben
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2006-12-15 21:27
A clarinet mouthpiece fits on a trombone. Don't push it too tight or you'll mark the interior. It has a low bass clarinet pitch, and of course you can smear around with the slide. It's worth trying, once. I think there are some avant garde pieces that call for it, as well as taking off the mouthpiece and playing the top of the barrel like a brass instrument. I've also wrapped a handkerchief around the leadpipe of a trumpet and a horn, fitted the clarinet mouthpiece on and gotten some weird sounds.
Another trick is that the bottom tenon of a clarinet upper joint usually fits the top socket of a barrel, so you can put half a dozen upper joints together, getting people to finger each one. With more than 4 upper joints, it gets too low to play on. The ad for Gennusa mouthpieces that used to run in The Clarinet had a photo of Iggy doing this with his students.
The ultimate high school trick is to take a Bb and A clarinet and exchange the lower joints. This creates two instruments in approximately the quarter tone crack, each out of tune in its own horrible way. Starting a duet on them will bring the bandmaster on the dead run in about 15 seconds.
Ken Shaw
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Author: packrat
Date: 2006-12-15 22:32
Oooh! I'm going to sneak my husband's euphonium out and see what a clarinet mouthpiece will do with it. The shank on his euphonium is the same size of a bass trombone. This should be interesting.
Becky
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Author: Tom A
Date: 2006-12-15 23:05
The Slovenian-French composer Vinko Globokar experimented for a while with a trombone plus bass clarinet mouthpiece. I heard a vigorously-played excerpt of one work while studying years ago. The effect was similar to a chainsaw being applied to steel pipe. Interesting, but not exactly elevator music.
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Author: clarinetist04
Date: 2006-12-16 01:06
http://www.geocities.com/musicalinstruments1986/trombones.html
Scroll down for a picture of a tromboon. It's pretty amusing.
And I think Adolf Sax beat you to the idea.
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Author: ginny
Date: 2006-12-16 02:11
My son plays the clarinet without the mouthpiece in the style of a Bulgarian kaval (a flute) - the sound is made by blowing outside over the edge of a tube. Similar to coke bottle playing but more difficult. The so called clarikaval is nearly in C.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaval
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Author: msausville
Date: 2006-12-16 06:13
The late Eddie Harris (a phenom on tenor sax) "invented" a single reed mouthpiece for trumpet (and perhaps other brass).
The idea was that trumpet players need more time to practice than they have lips. The single reed piece was supposed to be easier on the lips.
Eddie also did some stuff with electronics and the sax pretty early on.
M.
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Author: Gobboboy
Date: 2006-12-16 10:49
A baritone sax mouthpiece on a tuba is also a laugh! sounds like my motorcycle!!
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Author: William
Date: 2006-12-16 15:11
I can just imagine all of our middle and high school readers who will be treating their appreciative band directors to waves of new and innovative festive sounds...................(Spike Jones must be smiling, somewhere)
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Author: EuGeneSee
Date: 2006-12-16 16:34
One of the Ferree's newsletters from about two years ago showed an electric/electronic sax patent application, replete with neat drawings and diagrams. It had buttons for keys and some sort of solenoids to open & close the pads. Would that have been some sort of Eddie Harris creation? Eu
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Author: David Peacham
Date: 2006-12-16 19:03
Ken Shaw wrote: "A clarinet mouthpiece fits on a trombone"
Not on mine it doesn't.
What does work, for connoisseurs of the bizarre, is to remove the bell section of the trombone and put the clarinet mouthpiece on in its place. The sound then emerges from the trombone mouthpiece.
Whether the effect actually sounds worse than me playing the 'bone the conventional way I'm not sure.
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If there are so many people on this board unwilling or unable to have a civil and balanced discussion about important issues, then I shan't bother to post here any more.
To the great relief of many of you, no doubt.
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2006-12-17 13:51
David -
It fits if you jam the trombone leadpipe up inside the mouthpiece.
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Author: Erdinet
Date: 2006-12-17 14:14
I heard Eddie Harris do his thing on trumpet once. I believe he just used his tenor sax mouthpiece and had some sort of cork or padding of some kind to get the mouthpiece on the lead pipe. He played with a harmon mute and it sounded pretty good. I never heard it done with out the mute though...
"There is a big difference between kneeling down and bending over."
-Frank Zappa
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Author: Wes
Date: 2006-12-17 23:11
Yes, I also heard Eddie Harris play the trumpet with a saxophone mouthpiece in a Los Angeles jazz club. It appeared to be a soprano sax mouthpiece. He also wrote a method for the instrument which was published. I happen to own a copy of the method but never tried it.
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Author: Ralph Katz
Date: 2006-12-17 23:19
Peter Schickele's PDQ Bach had a piece, written in the early 1960's, for Tromboon - a trombone with a bassoon reed.
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Author: skygardener
Date: 2006-12-18 06:10
Total tangent...
About the link that clarinetist04 posted. The 8th instrument down was made by Sax, but the explanation there is totally wrong. The instrument was not made to be louder. Each valve has a separate bell plus one bell for the "open" pipe with no valves pressed. This was intended to improve pitch. Combining valves in normal brass instruments is always sharp so in this instrument each valve has a separate bell that is the correct length to yield good pitch on every note. Modern tuning slides allow the player to smoothly lengthen the slides when using 2 or 3 valves, but the slides were not that smooth back then.
I tried putting a sax mpc on a baritone a few times ... until my neighbors got mad- didn't have much time to "get good" at it.
When you all try putting your clarinet mouthpieces on brass instruments does it produce a full overtone series? or does is it still just the odd overtones??
I think we'd all like some "good" sound samples if anyone should be so daring.
-S
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Author: Mike Clarinet
Date: 2006-12-18 07:55
Try putting the bell of a bass clarinet onto the accessory tube of a vacuum cleaner. Earplugs recommended, but the sound is awesome!!
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