 The Clarinet BBoard
|
Author: stevensfo
Date: 2006-12-14 20:41
I believe that more attention is paid to the correct undercutting and shape of the toneholes and the placement, action and finishing of the keywork.
Perhaps the wood has been seasoned for longer as well?
Steve
|
|
Reply To Message
|
|
Author: David Peacham
Date: 2006-12-14 20:53
A full and deeply helpful explanation of the differences is given in a Buffet brochure I picked up a couple of years ago, when Buffet was owned by The Music Group.
R13: Musicians are charmed by its rich and focused sound...
E11: Teachers recommend these models...
That's it really. Or is it?
Oh, and they helpfully point out that if you want the keywork to be adjusted by experts, so it actually works, you'd better buy a R13 Prestige.
-----------
If there are so many people on this board unwilling or unable to have a civil and balanced discussion about important issues, then I shan't bother to post here any more.
To the great relief of many of you, no doubt.
|
|
Reply To Message
|
|
Author: DAVE
Date: 2006-12-14 21:28
R13 has better wood, keys, etc. E 11 has plastic toneholes and plays like a POS.
|
|
Reply To Message
|
|
Author: BobD
Date: 2006-12-14 22:42
I've owned two E-11 Buffets and felt they played very well considering their price compared to R13s. I do feel the POS comment was juvenile.
Bob Draznik
|
|
Reply To Message
|
|
Author: dhertig
Date: 2006-12-15 16:35
I understand that R13 is intensely more "hand crafted" than the E11 (although, I'm not certain what the term "hand crafted" exactly means). If the E11 does not suit your needs, and you must have a buffet...an E13 is considered noted step above the E11.
|
|
Reply To Message
|
|
Author: D Dow
Date: 2006-12-15 17:02
My biggest personal issue...the E11 has non integral tone holes...this I feel is a big let down in terms of tuning and sound...which are two things iso important on playing a clarinet. I also think the E11 is a great intermediate clarinet but if one is serious about sound and developing is fine...but it is no where a pro instrument. I find the plastic tone holes quite annoying...and Buffet I believe is the only maker using non integral plastic inserts for tone holes...!!!
David Dow
Post Edited (2006-12-15 17:05)
|
|
Reply To Message
|
|
Author: susieray
Date: 2006-12-15 17:12
"and Buffet I believe is the only maker using non integral plastic inserts for tone holes...!!!"
The Jupiter 731 also has plastic tone hole inserts. At least the ones I have seen did.
|
|
Reply To Message
|
|
Author: D Dow
Date: 2006-12-15 17:17
Did not know that...I will add that to my list. Thanks. I do think Buffet started the practice of using non integral tone holes in the late 80s or early 90s on the E11.
David Dow
|
|
Reply To Message
|
|
Author: GBK
Date: 2006-12-15 17:26
Since an E11 is basically a wooden version of the B12, perhaps the question should be -
Other than material, what is the difference between the B12 and the R13? ![[wink]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie3.gif) ...GBK
|
|
Reply To Message
|
|
Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2006-12-15 17:27
MANY older clarinets, some from excellent makers, used hard rubber tonehole inserts/chimneys, for ease of manufacturing, dimensional stability, and relative freedom from chipping or cracking. If done right they work great. I wouldn't necessarily consider tonehole inserts to indicate that the instrument is of less than professional quality.
|
|
Reply To Message
|
|
Author: D Dow
Date: 2006-12-15 19:22
I was under the impression the B!2 is the same bore as the R13 and thus the same for the E11...this was told to me by a music store which will go unmentioned.
David Dow
|
|
Reply To Message
|
|
The Clarinet Pages
|
 |
.jpg){kind=small}
.jpg){kind=small}
.jpg){kind=small}
.jpg){kind=small}
.jpg){kind=small}
.jpg){kind=small}
