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Author: jmsa
Date: 2006-12-05 21:51
I have a 2006 Buffet R-13 and the barrel that came with it is a 65MM Bb barrel. I also have a 65MM barrel from a Buffet key of A clarinet that I acquired a month ago. The A barrel allows me to cross the break easier. Is the bore dimensions of the Bb and the A barrel the same.
jmsa
Post Edited (2006-12-05 21:52)
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2006-12-06 01:07
I just read a post were someone got there degree on a Bb using an A barrel. I would caution against this since the A barrel has a much narrower bore and this will mess with your twelfths.
...........Paul Aviles
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2006-12-06 01:19
Paul Aviles wrote:
> I just read a post were someone got there degree on a Bb using
> an A barrel. I would caution against this since the A barrel
> has a much narrower bore and this will mess with your twelfths.
I'm sorry, I don't subscribe to any set notion such as this, though you do couch your suggestion with a "caution". It's a rule of thumb perhaps, no more, no less.
If the barrel works (and someone got their degree on this setup, no less), who are we to say it's "wrong"? It's not wrong - it might be unorthodox, but it's not "wrong" as long as it works.
The same goes for "anchor tonguing" or any other such thing. While it might not work for some proportion of people, for those it does work for it's not "wrong", and trying to tell someone whose sound production and articulation is just fine that their tonguing is "wrong" is counterproductive. It's just a different option - albeit one that might not suit many people.
The setup Ricardo Morales had (or has - I don't know anymore) was "wrong" by some people's standards - multiple mouthpiece patches and a reed that was as hard as a popsicle stick.
I'm not going to tell him that his setup was "wrong".
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Author: Ken Mills
Date: 2006-12-06 02:01
You are concerned about my appreciation of the long pipe tones of the clarion register when you go over the break. I experimented with plastic barrels that I worked on and really like the bore that is conical getting bigger on the way down for the b and c at the bottom of the clarion register. Their got emitted stronger and bigger and easier. But I do not have an R13, but I know that the top of the upper joint is big in diameter.
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Author: Jeroen
Date: 2006-12-06 10:24
I also use my A barrel on my Bb Buffet RC.
For me it works: The sound is better and the twelfths are ok.
I know some other people also using A barrels on Bb instruments without any problems. So don't bother too much.
For my RC I could not notice any difference in bore size by the way. But I don't have accurate measurement tools.
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2006-12-06 11:28
Dear Mark,
I have had the priviledge of playing on the "wrong barrel" on several other types of clarinets such as the Symphony 1010 and the 100c. The problems are more acute in these circumstances and not entirely relevant to American school players on R13s, but it DOES make a difference and there is a conscientious design difference between the two horns (A and Bb that is). Therefore just because the difference is not enough to cause heartache doesn't necessarily make it material for recommendation. I'm sure there is someone out there that can get a good tone from a clarinet by blowing into the wide end but I wouldn't recommend doing it.
..........Paul Aviles
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2006-12-06 11:35
Paul Aviles wrote:
>I'm sure there is someone out there that can
> get a good tone from a clarinet by blowing into the wide end
> but I wouldn't recommend doing it.
And I think that's the crux of the matter. We might not recommend it as a rule of thumb - but it's free to try, and you might be pleasantly surprised. Too many people are bound by the strictures of convention.
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Author: EuGeneSee
Date: 2006-12-06 15:12
That fellow on the Disappearing Clarinet thread certainly didn't mind wreaking havoc with convention, and actually made some credible music as he truncated the clarinet in successive iterations on down to a mouthpiece cover. On the other end of the scale is David's "Plumber's Nightmare" bass Thing. I guess whatever works for you is all that really matters. Eu
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2006-12-06 18:53
I would link to the thread, but can not find it.....so here I repeat my original comment, with some additional data:
A and Bb barrels are bored differently for most clarinets....one exception being the Selmer Recital.
The R13 A has a different bore than the Bb.
HOWEVER....it is indeed possible to find ONE barrel that will allow itself (anthropomorghic, huh?) to "switch hit" on a given set of A and Bb instruments. I know of one symphonic player (and there are others, I am sure) who uses a single barrel for A and Bb Buffets, and this particular barrel is NOT a stock barrel, and might not be currently on the market. That being said, this particular player has a different ligature ever time I see him.
I know that Walter Grabner and I both make our barrels differently for A and Bb, as does Morrie Backun, Clark Fobes, Chadash, and others.
I can not attest to the designs of Pyne, Scott, or Springer.
add one: DiLutis's Weber barrel differs A from Bb. Nicely made, too, I can add.
Disclaimer...I make and sell barrels for clarinets.
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
Post Edited (2006-12-07 18:26)
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