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Author: Asain
Date: 2006-11-26 23:20
I've been thinking of getting a new clarinet to replace me buffet e11. Don't get my wrong, it plays beautifully, but reading some of these threads makes me eager to try something new.
The two clarinets listed seem to be very liked. Which one is better?
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Author: Mags1957
Date: 2006-11-27 01:51
There is absolutely no "correct" answer to the question. You need to try them both. The one that plays better for you is the one that is better (for you). They are both fine instruments, so your personal preference is the only deciding factor. Try removing any preconceptions you have going in, and if possible, play test them "blind" with help from a friend, or better yet, your teacher. The Lyrique will run you about $965 with a pro mouthpiece and two barrels. The Cadenza will run you approx $1800. Both are good prices for a pro level instrument. Either one should be a significant improvement over your e11.
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Author: Asain
Date: 2006-11-27 02:07
Another question I want to ask is..
Should I get an r13 over the two? I really want to try the other clarinets, but I'm not sure if the local music store have any to offer.Mags1957 wrote:
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Author: packrat
Date: 2006-11-27 04:13
Order the Cadenza online from someone who will give you a trial period. Some sites will give you 45 days. When the Cadenza comes in order the Lyrique directly from Ridenour site and when it comes in you can compare them for a few days and still have time to return the one that you decide against. It will cost you the shipping costs for the one you return, but you'll get to try both and can keep the one you like best.
As far as the R-13...if you don't care for either of the other two, it will still be there to try. It will cost you quite a bit more anyway, but you'll know what the others were like. You might be able to find an R-13 locally to try.
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Author: Brenda Siewert
Date: 2006-11-27 19:55
You need to consider that the Lyrique clarinet is not a wood clarinet, while both the Buffet R-13 and the Leblanc Backun Cadenza are wood. So, you're not comparing the same thing. It would be more accurate to compare the R-13 to the Cadenza. And, as mentioned by packrat, R-13s are easily found at almost any time of the year.
Tom Ridenour is an expert clarinetist as well as a fantastic acoustical designer, so you would not go wrong to try either the Cadenza by Backun or the Lyrique by Ridenour. But, remember, one is hard rubber and the other is wood. The Lyrique would be an excellent choice for a backup or outdoor instrument.
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Author: Mags1957
Date: 2006-11-27 20:25
Brenda Siewert wrote:
> You need to consider that the Lyrique clarinet is not a wood
> clarinet, while both the Buffet R-13 and the Leblanc Backun
> Cadenza are wood. So, you're not comparing the same thing. It
> would be more accurate to compare the R-13 to the Cadenza.
> And, as mentioned by packrat, R-13s are easily found at almost
> any time of the year.
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> Tom Ridenour is an expert clarinetist as well as a fantastic
> acoustical designer, so you would not go wrong to try either
> the Cadenza by Backun or the Lyrique by Ridenour. But,
> remember, one is hard rubber and the other is wood. The
> Lyrique would be an excellent choice for a backup or outdoor
> instrument.
Of course he's comparing the same thing - a pro level clarinet against other pro level clarinets. We've been over this debate a million times, it seems - the material the clarinet is made of is not at all important, really. If the Lyrique outplays the other two horns straight up, why would you relegate it to "backup or outdoor" status?
I just got my new Lyrique "A" a few hours ago, a full report will follow in a couple of days. One thing is for certain, though - it doesn't play like a "backup" instrument. Whether I personally like it more than a Yamaha or a Leblanc/Backun is another debate. I'm in the market for a new Bb in a couple of months, and I will give the new Yamahas, Selmers and Leblanc/Backun clarinets a serious workout, in addition to the Bb Lyrique - I don't have any preconception about which one I'll like best. But the Lyrique CERTAINLY belongs in the same category as other pro model clarinets.
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Author: Brenda Siewert
Date: 2006-11-27 20:58
I'm certain the Lyrique is an excellent choice for whatever anyone would want with it. My mention as a backup for outdoor is meant in the identical tone that I recommend the Buffet Greenlines. These are also excellent for a first choice. But, if someone already has an R-13 or another wooden instrument, the Lyrique would be a great clarinet to use for outdoor concerts or other places a wooden instrument would not be pracitcal.
Pardon my use of the word "backup." Tom makes a professional level instrument at a very high quality.
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Author: Dan Oberlin ★2017
Date: 2006-11-27 21:58
Brenda wrote: "You need to consider that the Lyrique clarinet is not a wood clarinet ...".
That consideration would presumably consist of weighing the positive aspects of a hard rubber instrument against the negative ones. Here are three positive
aspects: the instrument will not swell or warp under normal circumstances; it will not crack from the cold; the material can be machined to a higher degree of precision than wood (you should see the tops of the tonehole chimneys on my instrument). If you are on a budget, a fourth positive aspect of a hard rubber instrument is that it's less expensive (and, with Ridenour's instrument that savings of money doesn't at all imply a lower level of craftsmanship).
Brenda, I'm wondering if these were the aspects of a hard rubber instrument which you had in mind when you posted the statement above or if there were others?
Dan
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Author: Brenda Siewert
Date: 2006-11-28 15:33
These were exactly some of the aspects I was thinking when I wrote my first comment. Thanks for clarifying, Dan. The point I meant to make is to consider a wood instrument and consider a non-wood instrument when you make a choice. Wood is great, but remember it requires a lot more care and attention than the non-wood instrument. The player needs to decide if he/she is going to purchase a non-wood instrument and make it his/her only and primary instrument, or if he/she specifically wants a wood instrument as a primary and a non-wood as a "backup." The word "backup" here NOT implying the non-wood instrument is a lesser instrument, rather one that is practical for use in outdoor situations.
If, however, you want one instrument for everything and you want one that is an excellent speciman of acoustical correctness and expert craftsmanship, you can't go wrong with the Ridenour Lyrique.
Asain mentioned owning a Buffet E-11 and wanting to step up to something like the Lyrique or the Cadenza. My point was merely to compare and not to say one is better than the other. Either choice would be a good one. Or, if an R-13 is something to consider in the future, I mentioned that as a possibility--remembering that you are comparing very differently manufactured instruments.
The best thing to do is to try each one and decide for yourself based upon your budget and what you want to do with the instrument in the future and how it plays for you right now.
I would also mention that if you're wanting a non-wood instrument, remember the Forte. That's a really good instrument as well.
Post Edited (2006-11-28 15:34)
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