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Author: Lisa
Date: 2006-11-24 20:57
This issue drives me crazy. I've played in several shows over the years, and not one goes by without at least a few wrong notes in the book, incorrectly transposed measures, an incorrect rhythm here and there, etc.
I've always wanted to make note of the mistakes in the book (with the forbidden pen) just to save future players the trouble of finding and fixing the mistakes on their own. I've never done that, but I'm always tempted.
Anybody else have a pet peeve with mistakes in show books? Do you "fix" them for future players? Does it ever take you until the second or third SHOW to realize where that pesky, hard to find error is and how to correct it?? ![[huh]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie11.gif)
Post Edited (2006-11-25 00:40)
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Author: cigleris
Date: 2006-11-24 22:26
I have been known to leave messages in the back where there is always several blank pages. Usually about the show and if there are any mistakes. And sometimes there are messages from other people that have done the same sho win the past.
Peter Cigleris
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Author: hans
Date: 2006-11-24 22:46
Lisa,
The big band I play in uses many "homemade" arrangements that often have mistakes in them, so that I can understand your frustration.
To leave a message for other users, perhaps a "post-it" note would work.
Regards,
Hans
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Author: Merlin
Date: 2006-11-24 22:46
A friend of mine played a show a few years ago that had numerous mistakes in the book. The music director, who was travelling with the cast, knew about all of them, and briefed the musicians. They then marked the parts accordingly.
Turns out that the MD kept trying to convince "the office" that the parts needed to be fixed, and would ask them to make the corrections from the marked up parts that were sent back after each gig.
Someone in the office would look at the parts, ignore the note, then reprint a brand new set - complete with mistakes! - for the next stop on the tour.
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2006-11-24 23:12
Merlin wrote:
> Turns out that the MD kept trying to convince "the office" that
> the parts needed to be fixed, and would ask them to make the
> corrections from the marked up parts that were sent back after
> each gig.
>
> Someone in the office would look at the parts, ignore the note,
> then reprint a brand new set - complete with mistakes! - for
> the next stop on the tour.
Now that's the spirit, innit?
Better ask for permission to photocopy the offending pages, pencil in the corrections and send them back to the originator after the gig.
--
Ben
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Author: jmcgann
Date: 2006-11-24 23:59
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Better ask for permission to photocopy the offending pages, pencil in the corrections and send them back to the originator after the gig.
Or NOT ask permission and ask them why the parts were allowed to remain incorrect after the first rehearsal!
www.johnmcgann.com
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Author: bob49t
Date: 2006-11-25 07:12
Yes, mistakes are all too common ...but the thing that p****s me off more than anything is the mess of cuts, score outs, instructions etc that previous players leave. The biggie for me of course is the transposed notes names above the original....they can go on for pages.....It sometimes takes a half a band call to clean all of this up and place your current stuff on them. "Postits" are best, but not for all things.
"Smike", my next show and one of the easiest books to play ever, is festooned with these acts of vandalism. Obviously, the hirers either don't enforce the fines they describe and they certainly don't check and clean. So what are the musical societies paying for !!
And this is not restricted to pitband parts....our orchestral parts can be hellish also.
OK that's made me feel better !
RT
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Author: JamesE
Date: 2006-11-27 22:59
May as well through in my $.02 too. What gets me is that with all the computer programs available for printing music, why oh why to we still get books that look like they were written with a goose quill and with poor copying besides. Now I'll admit to seeing some really fine hand work and it's a pleasure to play when you happen to get one.
Seems that some of the fees that even community groups pay could be devoted to creating better looking books.
Jim
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Author: LeeB
Date: 2006-11-27 23:06
<<<"Smike", my next show and one of the easiest books to play ever, is festooned with these acts of vandalism. Obviously, the hirers either don't enforce the fines they describe and they certainly don't check and clean. So what are the musical societies paying for !!
And this is not restricted to pitband parts....our orchestral parts can be hellish also.
OK that's made me feel better !>>>
Buying something like this...
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...might be cheaper than treating a coronary down the road.
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Author: John J. Moses
Date: 2006-11-27 23:45
Here's an easy fix, at least on Broadway:
We usually speak to the copyists about printed mistakes in the OBC orchestra parts. They are very accommodating, and generally eager to help and fix the mistakes for the next rehearsal. By opening night, ideally the parts are all cleaned up and ready to go. When the "road" books are being prepared, the copyists usually start with the original "uncorrected" parts. Often the best of the bunch catch the mistakes we've discussed, and make the necessary changes. I often call the copyists to make sure the new parts go out with my corrections intact.
Most new Broadway musicals are copied on the newer computer programs, so the old "chicken-scratch" parts are a thing of the past. If you are doing a show from the last 5-7 years, you're likely to get the easy to read computer generated parts with our corrections.
Again, old Broadway musicals were usually hand-copied, and were often hard to read. Many mistakes were not corrected, and parts that were fixed often didn't make it to the "tour" books.
If you are suggesting changes to you books, speak to the Conductor to make sure your corrections are accurate. Then approach the copyist or librarian to have the changes made to your book. All corrections, if you are allowed, should be made in pencil, never ink, or correction tape. Let the professionals on your shows make all the necessary changes, if time permits.
Good luck,
JJM
Légère Artist
Clark W. Fobes Artist
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Author: Gordon (NZ)
Date: 2006-11-28 01:38
I religiously stuck to the rules for many years.
I finally realised :
1. The parts are not checked for remaining markings, in spite of the warnings inside the cover.
2. Corrrections I made in pencil, and left, and notes left for the publishing house- whatever - were ignored next time they copied parts, complete with errors again, from the original.
So I changed to making PERMANENT correction markings for the sake of the musicians who used the parts after me. Never any repercussions.
The publishers are being pretty irresponsible here, IMHO. What on earth do we pay them so much for!
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Author: Jaysne
Date: 2006-11-28 01:38
Anybody who has ever done Peter Pan will attest to the awful hand-written pit books. Not only are they sloppily prepared, they are rife with musical errors, including sections where the pit books do not match what the chorus is singing.
I've done nearly 70 shows and PP has by far the worst books (a shame since the music is so good!). I've done PP twice, and both times I wrote to the company renting the music, complaining about what a poor product they sent. Years later, I'm still waiting to hear from them.
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