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Author: sinkdraiN
Date: 2006-11-22 01:45
I Have an M15 series 13 and an M30 (regular) on a Leblanc LL and I can not decide which one has better pitch tendencies.
The M15 series 13 plays in tune with itself through the range. The problem is that when I first start playing I'm about 20 cents flat. When the horn is all warmed up it ends up at 440 and not a cent higher. I can play intune with the orchestra but when it goes higher than 440 I'm in trouble.
The M30 (regular) is of course not as flat. I can play pretty close to 440 even if the instrument is not warmed up. Eventually I have to pull out a mm or 2...maybe 3. The main reason is because bottom line E down is almost 40 cents sharp. I can get these lower notes in tune easier with the barrel pulled. So if I left the barrel in all the way I could play at 440 except for those lower notes they would be VERY sharp. Pulled out a little those notes are able to be played at a=440.
Which mouthpiece has the tuning tendencies I should stick with?
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Author: sinkdraiN
Date: 2006-11-22 01:52
And why would the regular vandorens make my E and below so sharp when the series 13 (while on the low side) are very even pitchwise?
...could I be biting in that lower register and the fact that the M30 is higher it's making me not have to fight to bring the pitch up anymore?
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Author: Bob Phillips
Date: 2006-11-22 02:21
Fiddling with my set up today, I found that (when warmed up) a 1-mm pull on the barrel lowers the long fingered notes about 10-cents, so I'd look for a barrel that is a mm or 2-mm shorter.
The mystery if the -13 Vandoren mouthpieces continues for me. I have a wonderful new 'piece on a Zinner blank. It is very much easier to play than my M30/13 (88), but does not provide the nice, uniform scale of dthe M30.
I'm going to have an M30/13 refaced to match the lay of my new mouthpiece and try THAT!
Some folks will probably suggest that your wide 12ths inspire a new barrel. My old horn was 30-cents out of tune with itself, so I have a new clarinet.
Bob Phillips
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2006-11-22 11:41
"Sticking with" may not be the best way to look at it.....however, I have always been more comfortable with "room at the top" for pitch because, as you mention, you can ALWAYS make the clarinet lower if need be.
It seems to me that the R13s play more the way they were designed with the higher pitched mouthpieces but you need to spend a lot of time with a tuner and decide that for yourself.
What are the effects in the winter when the spaces you play in are usually colder? If you can't get up to performance pitch, the equipment is a non-starter.
...........Paul Aviles
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Author: KellyA
Date: 2006-11-22 17:28
You might want to try pulling out at the joint or bell and see what happens.
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Author: sinkdraiN
Date: 2006-11-22 18:22
After playing a little today with a tuner I'm leaning towards the M15 series 13 because the regular series reallt gets high after its warmed up. I can lip down the upper register but the lower notes become more unstable when I try to bring them down. This is with the Barrel pulled a few mm's.
Now the M15 series 13 when fully warmed up gets to A440. My long B can go maybe 2 or 3 cents sharper If i work. Is that a typical amount of headroom?
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