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Author: gbarton1955
Date: 2006-11-16 23:11
Can anyone help me in comparing the following clarinets?
Buffet E11
Buffer R-13
Cibaili
Artley 725
Leblanc L7214-PK
Selmer Signet
Selmer CL200
Selmer 100
Noblet 4KCA
Please help? I know nothing.
Thanks
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Author: GBK
Date: 2006-11-16 23:17
You can start by putting Cibaili at the bottom of the list ![[wink]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie3.gif) ...GBK
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2006-11-16 23:46
"You can start by putting Cibaili at the bottom of the list ...GBK"
Better still, put it on a seperate list, headed 'CRAP'.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: CPW
Date: 2006-11-17 00:04
Cimbali is a CSO
However, they DO come in colors.
Heck, maybe they ripen with age.
Against the windmills of my mind
The jousting pole splinters
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Author: Katrina
Date: 2006-11-17 03:37
Buffet R13 is the best instrument listed above. The Buffet E13 is a not-so-close second place. Both are wood, and the R13 is a pro-level horn while the E13 is an intermediate model.
The Leblanc PK 7214 is a student-level plastic instrument with plateau keys.
I'm not familiar with the Artley or Noblet models you list, and Selmer has had so many different horns out lately I don't know whether their 100 or 200 is a better instrument! (I'm inclined to remember that the _lower_ numbered ones are "better").
Selmer Signets are older intermediate Selmers which can be very nice if in good shape.
The Cibaili is, as noted above, a Clarinet-Shaped-Object (CSO).
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2006-11-17 05:22
I think the Artley model is 72S and not 725. If that's the model you meant then it is their wooden model which is supposed to be better than their cheaper models. I have no experience with it at all though.
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Author: Tobin
Date: 2006-11-17 10:17
Along with Clarnibass, I don't know whether the Artley is supposed to be a student or pro model. (Although I've never heard of a pro artley...)
The wooden Artley I owned ages ago (which is enjoying a happy second life as a lamp) suffered from a compromise which was IMO poorly chosen:
To accomodate the smaller hand size of students, the upper joint was shrunk a bit: literally about two mm shorter than it was supposed to be.
This caused the already sharp throat tones to be much sharper!
Kind of a mean trick to pull on an aspiring clarinetist!
James
Gnothi Seauton
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2006-11-17 13:12
Best comparison is to play whatever clarinets are available and make decisions based on how THOSE PARTICULAR clarinets play. Not what's written about them on paper or what their price is. I've had a few clarinets in my past that were ALL phenominal players, better than a lot of "professional" clarinets I've tried, and not all of them were considered "professional" on paper.
Alexi
US Army Japan Band
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Author: David Peacham
Date: 2006-11-17 21:45
I've just answered (after a fashion) your other thread about the best pro clarinet.
The instruments you list here aren't pro clarinets, with the exception of the R13 which most definitely is.
Clarinets are one of those items where what you pay has a lot to do with what you get. There will always be exceptions, but if you rank the instruments you list by price you're likely to get a pretty good assessment of their relative worth.
Assuming you are buying new (you don't specify) then if the instrument is for a beginner then buy a good quality plastic clarinet: B12, YCL-250 are the best-known. If you are a good player then you shouldn't be asking this question. If you are buying for someone else who's a good player - don't.
sfalexi's advice to play the instruments you are offered is excellent, but useless if (as I suspect) you can't play.
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If there are so many people on this board unwilling or unable to have a civil and balanced discussion about important issues, then I shan't bother to post here any more.
To the great relief of many of you, no doubt.
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Author: gbarton1955
Date: 2006-11-22 15:25
Sorry everyone for not responding your your replies. Been swamped work this short week. I will give you my thoughts next week and perhaps more questions. Thanks for the help!
Greg
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Author: Dee
Date: 2006-11-23 13:33
The Noblets are good intermediate instruments made by Leblanc. In general they play well and sound good.
But you need to make your own choice as different people prefer different things.
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Author: gbarton1955
Date: 2006-11-29 17:50
Ok....having done some research it looks like the R-13 is the best of the bunch. Are there other makes/models that you all think come close?
Greg
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Author: jmcgann
Date: 2006-11-29 19:05
Quote:
Are there other makes/models that you all think come close?
I'd have to kindly suggest that you do your own homework. It's easy:
1) Do a search on this board for "The Big Three", "The Big Four". Those are the brand name instruments.
2) Find out the various models of the individual makers and whether they are plastic, hard rubber, wood or composite
3) Search the board (and mailing list archives) for opinions as there are 10 year's worth for every model under the sun
4) Repeat #3
5) If you can play, go to a store and try some
6) If you can't play, do #5 with someone who can
7) Consider the Ridenour instruments
8) If #6 is true, practice your face off on whatever you have
9) It's easy enough to find out what the players you like play, but the odds of you sounding like them based on buying the same instrument are about the same odds as being able to fly to the moon just because Nasa sold you a rocket
www.johnmcgann.com
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