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Author: GBK
Date: 2006-11-12 04:08
A handy site which contains specs/bore sizes of the different Selmer, and Buffet models, but most importantly some hard to find information on the different Leblanc clarinets over the years.
Also included is an excellent reference and serial number list for the various Normandy (4, 8, 10, 12) clarinets:
http://www.saxmaniax.com/snclarinet.htm
...GBK
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Author: EuGeneSee
Date: 2006-11-12 13:52
Thanks, Glenn. A lot of good info on history of various brands there.
I do have a couple of questions: Has anyone published a list of the Selmer USA clarinets giving their models and serial numbers together? Why do the Selmer Paris lists always leave out the early Kxxxx serial number series that are often discussed on this BB?
Eu
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Author: John O'Janpa
Date: 2006-11-12 16:04
The info given for Selmer USA clarinets is not accurate. I own several of them and have been watching adds, dates, etc. for several years now, and some of the information given conflicts with what I have obseved otherwise.
Take it with agrain of salt.
John
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Author: GBK
Date: 2006-11-12 16:28
John O'Janpa wrote:
> The info given for Selmer USA clarinets is not accurate. I own
> several of them and have been watching adds, dates, etc. for
> several years now, and some of the information given conflicts
> with what I have obseved otherwise.
[ John - In that case it would be helpful to detail where the corrections may be needed - GBK ]
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Author: stevesklar
Date: 2006-11-12 17:57
the SelmerUSA info was sketchy at best but a start. The more info the better.
and the page does state:
If anyone has any information they wish to share about any item on or not on this page please contact Steve Thanks. Steve
just click on the link that's there which is steve@saxmaniax.com
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Author: EuGeneSee
Date: 2006-11-12 22:29
I have tried to search for a serial number list for Selmer USA, even the one with all the errors in it, and have found nothing. I did run into a saxophone list somewhere once but don't know how I got there; if I could find it again, maybe all I would have to do is change one word in the www.(address) to get to a clarinet list. Eu
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Author: John O'Janpa
Date: 2006-11-12 23:58
I just sent what info I have, and my opinions, and the basis for them, to Steve.
I'll let him decide if he can incorporate any of it into his website.
I appreciate the fact that he is trying to compile Selmer USA info, and I hope I was able to help some.
The difficulty I have encountered is that I can't find any factory serial number lists, so everything I have is based on when the owners say they were purchased. Some of them surely sat around in the Ma & Pa stores of the day for along time before they were purchased.
After several years of watching, you began to see patterns which I have now forwarded to Steve.
John
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2006-11-13 01:57
A warning:
The bores are defined by the diameter of the bore at the upper joint tenon where it joins the lower joint. This is NOT a measure of what happens to get it there!
For example, the bore of the R13 and the RC are defined by this approach as similar or equal, but the upper portion of the joint and the barrel are way different. The RC barrel for the Eb clar is .550 or so, while the R13 is .510....a big difference (I am approximating this by memory) while the titular bore is not so dissimilar.
SO....when ordering parts (barrel, joints, bells,etc.) the nominal bores become a useless measure of interchangeability.
Slightly OT...I am in Raleigh NC for the Premier of the Mezisko Divertimento for Clarinet and Strings, and will report on it later.
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
Post Edited (2006-11-13 02:09)
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Author: Bassie
Date: 2006-11-14 12:05
Too right, Alseg. My Selmer (Paris) Prologue II is 14.5mm at the middle joint but near enough 15.2 = 0.6" back at the barrel. The taper is quite obvious to the naked eye.
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Author: Molloy
Date: 2006-12-02 02:37
The usual Selmer Paris serial number list is presumably more or less accurate from the L-series on. Here's approximate dating for earlier serials (wood A and Bb sopranos only) based on my own collection of instruments and some historical data at the Selmer Paris website. The K-series dates are fairly reliable, probably not more than one year off; the pre-K are just extrapolated back.
Date Serial
1/1/14 1000
1/1/15 2000
1/1/16 3000
1/1/17 4000
1/1/18 5000
1/1/19 6000
1/1/20 7000
1/1/21 8000
1/1/22 9000
1/1/23 K1000
1/1/24 K2000
1/1/25 K3000
1/1/26 K4200
1/1/27 K5600
1/1/28 K7000
1/1/29 K8400
1/1/30 K9800
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Author: EuGeneSee
Date: 2006-12-02 16:47
Molloy: Thanks for the info. I didn't have any idea of the approx. onset of the K series, so I didn't know about where the non-letter series ended. Eu
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Author: GBK
Date: 2006-12-07 02:52
From Chuck Hoffman:
"...Wow while doing reasarch for my on going Leblanc serial number project I stumbled upon the link:
http://drrick.com/leblanc.html
Mr. Rick Rajca or “Dr. Rick” of Village Flute and Sax Shop on Carmine St. in Greenwich Village, NYC. Put together this fantastic list. KUDOS..."
...GBK
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