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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2006-10-28 17:31
I understand that for cool pitch bending à la Brandwein one needs a soft reed (I have that), a good deal of experience (now here's the first obstacle) and a suitable mouthpiece (duh).
Am I correct assuming that an "open" mouthpiece is required, for those soft reeds even a "wide open" one? Of all the cheap stock mouthpieces floating around, which one would fit the bill best?
I'm not into spending a lot of money on a silly idea, but I'd like to spare me the frustration of - after years of fruitless trials - having to hear that "it can't possibly work on the mouthpiece you're using".
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Ben
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Author: EuGeneSee
Date: 2006-10-28 17:44
Ben: See if you can't scarf up an Otto Link . . . they are primarily jazz mouthpieces, you can drive a bus (single deck, that is) through the opening, and they are floating around everywhere used and ain't too expensive new. Eu
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Author: David Peacham
Date: 2006-10-28 17:46
Yamaha 7C is pretty open (1.27 mm) and relatively cheap.
I'm looking at a chart that tells me that Buffet mouthpieces are 1.25 mm. Not sure whether that's correct, or whether they are consistent enough for the measurement to be meaningful. But they are certainly cheap.
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If there are so many people on this board unwilling or unable to have a civil and balanced discussion about important issues, then I shan't bother to post here any more.
To the great relief of many of you, no doubt.
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Author: Merlin
Date: 2006-10-28 18:20
I can bend pitch all over the place on a B40 with a #3 Vandoren, so you don't need a huge "jazz" mouthpiece and really soft reeds to do it.
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2006-10-28 19:17
Merlin,
I see you're mouthpiece refacer - you sure you're using a vanilla B40? ![[wink]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie3.gif)
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Ben
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Author: Tobin
Date: 2006-10-28 19:25
Second Merlin's idea. I can pitch bend anything in the clarion with any mouthpiece. (So far!)
Reccomend starting with bending things down from a high clarion note. Bending (shmearing) up comes later. I also don't change the embouchure at all, just tongue and throat position.
James
Gnothi Seauton
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Author: jmcgann
Date: 2006-10-29 01:09
Forgive my newbie ignorance, but is the Boehm system capable of smearing the way we hear the Albert system players like Brandwein, Bigard, etc. do? Bigard often smears across an octave seemlessly like Johnny Hodges on alto...is it really between the reed/throat/tongue or does the lack of rings on the Albert system come into play as well? I haven't (yet?) heard Boehm players get those kind of slurs...
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Post Edited (2006-10-29 01:13)
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2006-10-29 01:27
jmcgann wrote:
> Forgive my newbie ignorance, but is the Boehm system capable of
> smearing the way we hear the Albert system players like
> Brandwein, Bigard, etc. do?
Yes.
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Author: Ralph Katz
Date: 2006-10-29 10:34
Your mpc will have an effect on pitch bending, but you should bend on any mpc.
While bending the pitch, your operative syllable should change from "ee" to "aw" as in "raw", "bought", "daughter". Pull your tongue way down and see what that does.
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Author: Tobin
Date: 2006-10-29 11:34
The rings make no difference, as Mark answered above. The finger movement is only important to me in helping slow the shmear. I'm not even certain that it's necessary.
James
Gnothi Seauton
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Author: jmcgann
Date: 2006-10-29 13:29
Many thanks for the info. I'm a longtime professional guitarist/mandolinist and clarinet lover trying to become a player, so there are many mysteries for me!
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Author: Merlin
Date: 2006-10-29 18:22
Quote:
I see you're mouthpiece refacer - you sure you're using a vanilla B40?
It's pretty straight ahead. I refaced my B40 bass m/p, but the clarinet mouthpiece I use it pretty much right out of the box. Doesn't really matter - I could bend pitches on an M13 if I had to. It's about oral cavity changes more than embouchure as far as I'm concerned.
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2006-10-29 18:31
Hmm. I know I can change the tone colour if I give my oral cavity the shape of an egg, a bumpy potato or a trochoid. But the pitch didn't bend all that much unless I had a beer before testing or started to pinch/relax the embouchure.
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Ben
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Author: tarogatoman
Date: 2006-10-30 00:08
hello. I play both Bohem and Albert clarinet. I do find I can bend pitch much better on the Albert. The bare holes and lower blowing resistanace seem to contribute to easier bending .
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Author: Tom Puwalski
Date: 2006-11-01 01:57
Mouthpiece facing has nothing what so ever to do with bending a note on the clarinet. I use a 1.02 opening and 36 length zinner and I can bend all over the place. I can do it just as easily on a M30 Vandoren, and a B45. It is all about control of the Air, and the throat, and most importantly getting the embouchure to not inhibit reed vibration.
The main thing in bending and pitch flexibility has to do with developing an embouchure that interferes with the vibration of the reed the least. Once you find the right amount of mouthpiece in your mouth and find the best "air" to use, your sound will be the most "vibrant" it can be. I describe it as get brighter and darker at the same time. When that happens you've achieved tonal control, than you can really bend. But the question I have is this: I've listened to tons of Brandwien recordings, he very rarely used the technique.
Tom Puwalski, former soloist with the US Army Field Band, Clarinetist with The Atonement, and Author of "The Clarinetist's Guide to Klezmer"and most recently by the order of the wizard of Oz, for supreme intelligence, a Masters in Clarinet performance
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2006-11-01 06:05
Tom Puwalski wrote:
> But the question I have is this: I've listened to tons of Brandwien
> recordings, he very rarely used the technique.
When you listen to "Freilicher Yontov", what would you describe he's doing? Might as well be that a used the wrong term, but for me that's pitch bending.
(I have attached a 2 second mono-ized excerpt, I hope that's okay copyright-wise)
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Ben
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2006-11-01 06:06
Tom Puwalski wrote:
> But the question I have is this: I've listened to tons of Brandwien
> recordings, he very rarely used the technique.
When you listen to "Freilicher Yontov", what would you describe he's doing? Might as well be that a used the wrong term, but for me that's pitch bending.
Edit: And, of course, thank you for the explanation on how-to-do-it, much appreciated.
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Ben
Post Edited (2006-11-01 11:48)
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