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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2006-10-21 03:45
clarinet87 wrote:
> Just how much does a new Rossi clarinet sell for? (My guess
> would be at least four to five thousand). How long does it
> take for Rossi and his team to make one?
A look at http://www.rossiclarinet.com/ would be my 1st stop to find out current prices and email Luis for the current wait time, along with getting a list of the dealers.
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2006-10-21 08:45
One thing I always wondered about Rossi (and other one piece body) clarinets, and when I asked before got no replies, is how can epople easily play in tune on these clarinets? Sometimes opening between the joints really helps me play in tune a lot easier (because of weather). This is impossible with a one piece body clarinet.
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Author: Sylvain
Date: 2006-10-21 13:33
Well the whole idea is that with a single body clarinet you can have better placement of the tone holes and less intonation issues. Rossi's clarinets are played all over the world by very reputable musicians. Although I am not always a big fan of his playing Jonathan Cohler has some recordings online that definitely do not sound out of tune...
http://jonathancohler.com/recordings.php
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Sylvain Bouix <sbouix@gmail.com>
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Author: Liquorice
Date: 2006-10-21 14:19
How many of those discs did Mr Cohler record on his Rossi's?
In any case, it's one thing playing in tune in controlled studio circumstances, but quite another to do gigs in the real world, ranging from cold churches to hot orchestra pits in the middle summer. I certainly wouldn't have coped in some performances without different length barrels and the ability to pull out in the middle sometimes.
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Author: William
Date: 2006-10-21 14:57
sI heard Paquito D'Rivera play a concert last year with a couple of guitar brothers--whose name I do not recall--on his Rossi clarinet (White Master reed, BTW). While I am impressed by his technical artistry--their is seeming no combination of notes he cannot perform with ease--I was not overly impressed with his basic sound. For my ears, it was a bit on the thin side and often boardering on harsh. But everything he played was absolutely in tune and seemed effortless. And in talking with him after the concert, he gave all due credit to his Rossi and said that he loved it.
My only experiance with a Rossi was at the old IMS in Des Plaines, IL, where I play tested an American bore clarinet in a practice room environment. To my ears, it was well in tune, had a "seamless" scale from bottom to top with a well focused tone quality at a variety of dynamic levels. And I loved it--but could not afford Lisa's asking price. However, if I had been actually considering it's purchase, I would definately have taken it to rehearsal or two because what seems to work in the audition room does not always hold in the real playing situation.
"An that's all I know about that" Forrest Gump
BTW, maybe ClarinetMama can offer some real insight here. She sounds great on her Rossi and has been playing it for quite some time now.
(nevertheless, I hope it helps a bit)
Post Edited (2006-10-21 14:58)
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Author: frank
Date: 2006-10-21 17:09
I own a rosewood Rossi French bore. It's a great horn with a nice tonal shape. Intonation is as good as any pro horn out there. Listen to Rossi himself play his own instruments. He sounds great! I've heard him live on several occassions and enjoyed his sound and elegant performances. Yeah, I wouldn't listen to Cohler for a good representation of what the Rossi can do. His sound, IMHO is not good.
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2006-10-21 20:44
"the whole idea is that with a single body clarinet you can have better placement of the tone holes and less intonation issues."
Even if that's true, it doesn't have much to do with what I asked. What I mean is a situation where, for example, you have to play in a place that is very hot and your clarinet gets a lot sharper - in this situation opening between the joints really helps to play in tune, eventhough my clarinet plays just fine in tune with the joints closed in other situations (i.e. there is no intonation problem I notice that would need to be improved by a one piece body). Eventhough pulling the barrel helps, it is not as good as when opening in the middle too.
Post Edited (2006-10-21 22:50)
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Author: Ed
Date: 2006-10-21 21:27
I played one of Rossi's clarinets at a conference. It was fantastic. Everything you would want in a clarinet-beautiful to play in all respects, easy and smooth, great sounding instrument. I would love to have the opportunity to try one for a while and see how it would work out for me.
Regarding Cohler, I believe that the solo clarinet CD "Clarinet Alone" was the first one recorded with the Rossi. I heard him play a solo performance at one of the clarinet festivals- he was amazing.
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Author: kenabbott
Date: 2006-10-22 21:22
I love French bore. The actions is wonderful and the intonation good, although I do note that my high G is a touch flat
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Author: Iceland clarinet
Date: 2006-10-22 21:57
I haven't tried Rossi but the principal clarinetist in the Icelandic symphony orchestra owned a set but It cracked really badly. Maybe because of climate changes. I asked my teacher and he have tried them and he says that it thet have more new problems than they resolve.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2006-10-22 23:24
Iceland clarinet wrote:
> I asked my teacher and
> he have tried them and he says that it thet have more new
> problems than they resolve.
Ask your teacher for specifics of resolved problems and new problems. Statements such as this might be useful in a person-to-person setting (where one can ask for resolution) but on a BBoard just aren't as useful, especially as the comment is second-hand.
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Author: cigleris
Date: 2006-10-23 00:59
When i was looking for a new pair of instruments from my then 1010s i was looking to stay with the 'English Bore' and so my teacher at the time Coln Parr who was principle with the CBSO had a pair of the Rossi's (black and rosewood) and Peter Eatons. I tried both pairs at different times. I used the Rossi's for a BBC programme and found them to be really good, the intonation was ok and the sound was good. The Eatons felt better as they felt more like the Boosey 1010s. I do recall him saying that he like his rosewood pair but that the intonation wasn't good especially in the higher registers. I was sat in the section playing Eb around the time and must say the instruments weren't great intonation wise. A one piece body is nothing new, Boosey and Hawkes made one in the 1930s, or around that time as my very first techer had one in Bb.
Each to there own really.
Peter Cigleris
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Author: jack
Date: 2006-10-23 01:48
Well, I've got a Rossi French Bore Cocobolo (not rosewood). I happened onto it at the ClarinetFest in New Orleans what, four or so years ago? It played and sounded better immiediately out of the case than anything else I had ever tried up to that point. Imo, it's appearance makes it an absolute work of art. Since the feel and sound is seemingly so subjective, all I will say is that it works for me. To me one quality of Rossi's that you soon figure out is that the mechanical refinements they embody seem to take away the mechanical aspect of playing and impart a sort of suppleness or organic sense of oneness with the instrument that others don't have. They are easier and less physically demanding to play, you concentrate more on the music. Since than I have tried most of the new clarinets (at ClarinetFests) and have never been blown away or felt that I "gotta have it" like I did with the Rossi. Last summer, '05, I was looking for an A clarinet and happened on a classified add on this board for a one year used set of Rossi Bb & A American Bore Clarinets. I tried the A and was just floored, by far the finest clarinet I have ever tried. The depth and liveliness of the tone and ease of playing and feel..., I almost feel unworthy of such a fine instrument. The Bb was pratically as good. Am I happy I gotem? Since they only make 50 to 60 instruments a year, it's better that no one try mine, as it's unlikely you're going to be able to get a pair and your're gonna be wanting them real bad.
I was at Catalina's in Hollywood to see Pacquito D'Rivera a few months ago and he was playing something I took to be an Eb clarinet. At the break he was so nice and friendly to come to my table and chat for a while. I told him that I had never heard an Eb clarinet sound 1/3 as nice as his. He proudly let me know that it was his brand new Rossi C. He even played it a bit at my table. (Check out his book, My Sax Life: A Memoir).
I think the Rossi's being made now are the best ever. I've tried one or two that were ten to fifteen years old and didn't like them 1/2 as much as the three I've got.
Jack
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Author: Shawn
Date: 2006-11-01 19:40
I have been interested here lately with the grenadilla Rossi's. I would like to try one sometime. I'll probably have to wait for another conference, but I'm in no hurry. Jack and Frank, I noticed you both have Dallas ISP addresses. Do either of you play in the area? I gig in many of our local ensembles, and was wondering if I may have seen you around and didn't know it.
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